Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Granny Danger]

18 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Not nearly enough questions get asked about that.

It’s not the biggest abuse that has happened during this pandemic.  Billions funnelled to Tory Party supporters for delivering shite Covid fuelled “services”.

[FFCinthearea]

1 minute ago, renton said:

Didn't she also say that supermarkets and retail was returning to one way systems and 2M distancing as well? So it's not like they aren't thinking in terms of trying to minimise certain risks in those settings as well.

Track and Trace of course should provide good data on index cases and their settings. However, if the vast majority of infections are asymptomatic, and asymptomatic cases are as infectious as symptomatic case, then track and trace as currently formulated is never going to work. 

Which, either with or without a vaccine leaves us with three broad strategies:

1) as just now, open up with targeted,  variable restrictions and rolling lockdowns. The virus will continue to spiral but will be controlled and braked periodically. 

2) mass, regular testing. Test huge tracts of the population on at least a weekly cadence. Much more chance of catching and controlling infections before they form clusters.

3) open up but with targeted shielding for vulnerable groups and hope they can cope. 

Option 1 is obviously where we currently are, but is likely to not be economically sustainable in the long term: Particularly if immunity proves to be short lived. If you could guarantee immunity long enough to last between waves so that each wave had a smaller susceptible population, you could probably make that work.

Option 2 and 3 both come with huge capital costs. Option 2 because you obviously need to expand testing into the millions per day with quick turnaround times, and a vast and comprehensive reporting network.

Option 3 because in order to avoid the moral cost of simply leaving vulnerable people to shield as best they can, and inevitably die due to the rest of society having a large prevelance of the virus, then you are gonna need a huge, meals on wheels type exercise to keep those groups in some type of dignity while they are lopped off from society.

It's a bit of a c**t whichever way you cut it. I'd favour option 2 from a purely diagnostic  point of view, but whether it's a practical proposition is another question.

Option 3 is the only realistic option.  Ask the vulnerable to, at he very least, take extreme care or shield and let the other 99% of people try and get their lives and get the economy moving again.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Italy and Sweden remain on the green list but travellers to Italy need a Covid-19 test before travelling or on arrival in Italy.

[Szamo's_Ammo]

3 minutes ago, renton said:

Didn't she also say that supermarkets and retail was returning to one way systems and 2M distancing as well? So it's not like they aren't thinking in terms of trying to minimise certain risks in those settings as well.

Track and Trace of course should provide good data on index cases and their settings. However, if the vast majority of infections are asymptomatic, and asymptomatic cases are as infectious as symptomatic case, then track and trace as currently formulated is never going to work. 

Which, either with or without a vaccine leaves us with three broad strategies:

1) as just now, open up with targeted,  variable restrictions and rolling lockdowns. The virus will continue to spiral but will be controlled and braked periodically. 

2) mass, regular testing. Test huge tracts of the population on at least a weekly cadence. Much more chance of catching and controlling infections before they form clusters.

3) open up but with targeted shielding for vulnerable groups and hope they can cope. 

Option 1 is obviously where we currently are, but is likely to not be economically sustainable in the long term: Particularly if immunity proves to be short lived. If you could guarantee immunity long enough to last between waves so that each wave had a smaller susceptible population, you could probably make that work.

Option 2 and 3 both come with huge capital costs. Option 2 because you obviously need to expand testing into the millions per day with quick turnaround times, and a vast and comprehensive reporting network.

Option 3 because in order to avoid the moral cost of simply leaving vulnerable people to shield as best they can, and inevitably die due to the rest of society having a large prevelance of the virus, then you are gonna need a huge, meals on wheels type exercise to keep those groups in some type of dignity while they are lopped off from society.

It's a bit of a c**t whichever way you cut it. I'd favour option 2 from a purely diagnostic  point of view, but whether it's a practical proposition is another question.

Agreed.

The chances of option 2 becoming a reality anytime soon looks more unlikely by the day so it is going to be a long slog until there is a vaccine (if a credible one actually materialises).

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Been doing it for a couple of months if you arrive from a country classed as "red" 

We were added to today.

[Szamo's_Ammo]

Saw these and thought they would be a good purchase for anyone taking part in the Department of Health's Secret Santa:

 

[renton]

5 minutes ago, FFCinthearea said:

Option 3 is the only realistic option.  Ask the vulnerable to, at he very least, take extreme care or shield and let the other 99% of people try and get their lives and get the economy moving again.

I think the problem with option 3 is that even with extreme care, they are likely to get fucked in the process. 

[welshbairn]

Just now, Chairman Mao said:

All of them 

None will stop transmission of the virus and none will be effective for the vulnerable.
 

pointless

 

How can you possibly know this when they're still being trialled? Do you think the same applies to other vaccines like smallpox?

[renton]

1 minute ago, Chairman Mao said:

Like back in March / April when governments threw 000s of vulnerable patients out of hospital and seeded covid into care homes?

Well, there is obviously a difference between well ntentioned fuckwittery and a conscious choice to put people in the line of fire.

It's basically a version of the veil of ignorance. If you accept the premise that no amount of care is going to stop vulnerable groups being hit hard, then you make a choice as a society that some folk can be left behind in a pinch. Well and good when it's the other guy who gets pushed off the sled, right? Just that one day, you will be in the vulnerable group, and one day it'll be your turn.

[G51]

7 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

If it doesn’t stop transmissions and doesn’t help the vulnerable then no, I don’t see why it’s so important.

We have a vaccine for the flu but it’s not eradicated. Covid won’t be eradicated either.

Correct. But herd immunity dramatically reduce the severity of the outbreaks.

[Granny Danger]

2 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Does it mix with vodka?

Everything mixes with vodka.

[Dee Man]

1 minute ago, Granny Danger said:

Everything mixes with vodka.

Oil doesn't. 

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, Dee Man said:

Oil doesn't. 

^^^^ doing it wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Bairnardo]

If it doesn’t stop transmissions and doesn’t help the vulnerable then no, I don’t see why it’s so important.
We have a vaccine for the flu but it’s not eradicated. Covid won’t be eradicated either.

Who gives a f**k if its eradicated? You have just stated that the flu has never been eradicated yet life goes on with the flu as part of it.

A vaccine only needs to get to there with covid.

[Sergeant Wilson]

40 minutes ago, G51 said:

The other way we can get back to normal is if they develop and mass produce a treatment for COVID that can be administered at home. But they're a piece away from that yet.

Lemsip with vodka or gin in it.

Eta, @Snafuwas on the right lines.

Edited October 8, 2020 by Sergeant Wilson

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

Oil doesn't. 

Au contraire my friend.

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[Dee Man]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

Au contraire my friend.

https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-cannabis-infused-vodka-2-simple-ways-to-make-it-n1104

I should have stated that I meant Castrol GTX.

[Miguel Sanchez]

47 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

More top quality pandemic journalism.

There's something going on with this sort of thing that says something about our society.  The guy coming out that shop who has now been shouted at and shamed on national television had a mask with him, he probably just forgot to put it on - it's easily done, we've never had to wear masks to go into a shop before.  It's totally understandable that some people would forget to wear masks sometimes - I went into the  gym without one the other day and had to go back out to the car to get it.  There's a lack of empathy and understanding about this sort of thing, you see it at a lwoer level with people sharing that meme about masks worn below the nose being like having your cock out.  Some people might find wearing them uncomfortable or the mask might've slipped down without them noticiing.  A large chunk of people seem to want to believe the worst about their fellow citizens and don't want to show any understanding.

It goes back to the people seeing Covid restrictions as based on some sort of moral code - grouse shooting bad, choir practice good, hench, T drinking football lads bad, tea drinking introverts good.

Nah.

[FFCinthearea]

27 minutes ago, renton said:

I think the problem with option 3 is that even with extreme care, they are likely to get fucked in the process. 

Sadly, that's the case.  It's just like any other disease, most who get it will be ok but to a small minority it will be fatal.    As soon as people get their heads around this the sooner we can move on.    

[Granny Danger]

10 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

I should have stated that I meant Castrol GTX.

^^^^ the Donald Trump of P&B posters.