doulikefish Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: 60% of Ohio nursing home staff are refusing the covid vaccine according to the state governor. Words fail me. Dont be surprised trump walked ohio in the election 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: 60% of Ohio nursing home staff are refusing the covid vaccine according to the state governor. Words fail me. It's a basket case of a country. It's all too believable sadly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Distant Doonhamer said: It's a basket case of a country. It's all too believable sadly. The UK is one of the drivers of anti-vaccine conpsiracism, I don't think we have any cause to look down on other countries. The MMR controversy came from the UK and that's the Rosetta Stone of modern anti-vaccination conspiracy. The Nightingale Hospitals in England are being readied, according to the news just now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I would prefer, and expect, our politicians to closely monitor the effectiveness of the vaccine as well as the myriad of other factors before making predictions as to how and when restrictions will change. That would be a mature, considered approach that any rational person would support. I certainly wouldn’t want predictions made that had to be rowed back as a further unforeseen complication came to light as already has happened as we address the most serious health issue in our lifetimes. Of course some folk will be baying for early predictions from the SG and will be the first to denounce them if further complications make the predictions impossible to meet. Whilst you're right that the effectiveness of the vaccine should be monitored, the vaccine has been approved for use in the UK. On the strength of that, at this particular juncture, it would seem perfectly reasonable to make some kind of plan / prediction for the months ahead. In every industry plans, timescales, deadlines, programmes etc are worked to - granted there's sometimes hiccups along the way. But I don't see why this should be any different really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, ICTChris said: The UK is one of the drivers of anti-vaccine conpsiracism, I don't think we have any cause to look down on other countries. The MMR controversy came from the UK and that's the Rosetta Stone of modern anti-vaccination conspiracy. The Nightingale Hospitals in England are being readied, according to the news just now. Oh I understand that. That said given the impact Covid will have had on their lives I'd be surprised if 60% of care home workers in UK turned down the vaccine. Time will tell I guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Cant understand why folk arent seeing the importance of government messaging here. Say I own a business that's marginal under restrictions Furlough ends in April. I cant wait till after April to "see how case loads are" to decide what to do with my livelihood ffs. We will undoubtedly see businesses packing up shop whilst ICU wards are empty if the government continue with this ridiculous caution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Epidemiologist on bbc radio this morning said that in order to vaccinate the 20 million at risk people they would need to do a million a week. This would take until June.This is x6 the rate they are currently vaccinating but hopefully the new vaccine will be easier for logistics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 25 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Epidemiologist on bbc radio this morning said that in order to vaccinate the 20 million at risk people they would need to do a million a week. This would take until June. This is x6 the rate they are currently vaccinating but hopefully the new vaccine will be easier for logistics. I don't believe a word these "experts" say with their new fangled arithmetic. 20 million has to be a very low threshold for what "at risk" means. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Supermarkets absolutely rammed again today. Not be long till folk are queuing outside again at this rate... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Cant understand why folk arent seeing the importance of government messaging here. Say I own a business that's marginal under restrictions Furlough ends in April. I cant wait till after April to "see how case loads are" to decide what to do with my livelihood ffs. We will undoubtedly see businesses packing up shop whilst ICU wards are empty if the government continue with this ridiculous caution. They're jam packed full down south at the moment, something nobody predicted. It would be nice to have certainty but it just isn't there. Edited December 31, 2020 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Supermarkets absolutely rammed again today. Not be long till folk are queuing outside again at this rate...Been queues outside here for the past fortnight especially at peak times 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: They're jam packed full down south at the moment, something nobody predicted. It would be nice to have certainty but it just isn't there. Tbf, I dont think I have been talking certainties. One might assume that vaccines will lower hospital loads. The govt could come out and say that restrictions will be eased on that basis. Thats not what they are saying though. They are flip flopping between normal by spring and SD cant be dropped, basically ever, or at least allowing these mixed messages to propagate without issuing any clarification 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, philpy said: Supermarkets absolutely rammed again today. Not be long till folk are queuing outside again at this rate... I assume you feel your reason for being there was fine, but everyone else is the issue? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: If I never hear from these attention seeking gimps again it'll be too soon tbh Agreed. Making an offer they knowbwont be taken up just to get some likes. Fannies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Tbf, I dont think I have been talking certainties. One might assume that vaccines will lower hospital loads. The govt could come out and say that restrictions will be eased on that basis. Thats not what they are saying though. They are flip flopping between normal by spring and SD cant be dropped, basically ever, or at least allowing these mixed messages to propagate without issuing any clarification I guess they don't know how the vaccine will go and how quick they will be able to administer it.It will be until summer before enough vaccine is rolled out to make a huge difference. To say everything will be OK by spring is a nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I guess they don't know how the vaccine will go and how quick they will be able to administer it.It will be until summer before enough vaccine is rolled out to make a huge difference. To say everything will be OK by spring is a nonsense.And this is based on what exactly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 2600 cases today. 10.1% positivity. Guess that is the Christmas spike hitting now. Edited December 31, 2020 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I assume you feel your reason for being there was fine, but everyone else is the issue? Yep. Families clogging up the aisles blethering to other families for a start. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 And this is based on what exactly?See previous post. The most vulnerable (20 million) to be vaccinated at the rate of a million a week will take until June.This is six times faster than current levels.Who knows perhaps the government will get this right and with the new vaccine being able to store in a normal fridge then things will speed up.Judging on past performance and lies then im guessing it will take until the summer before things start to change.Who knows what else can happen before then, maybe better treatments and medicine?Testing and track and trace could help as well.If everything is back to normal in March then I'd be shocked. Its extremely unlikely.Impossible imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2600 cases today. 10.1% positivity. Guess that is the Christmas spike hitting now.Still too early for that. This is the mad rush to the shops when they reopened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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