Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[101]

2 hours ago, Paco said:

The under 50s of the UK, and thus I presume most of Europe, will still have to fork out for a PCR test both ways under the current EU proposal in the summer. Once we hit October it becomes less of an issue, at least for the UK population. But for summer, unless you have proof of prior infection, you’ll have to get a PCR test before leaving the UK and presumably will also need one before you come home. At a minimum currently that’s £250ish per head, plus the hassle of figuring out where and how the hell you get tested while abroad.

It isn’t a viable proposal unless we bring the cost of PCR testing down. If there needs to be government subsidies for this then so be it. Or allow the billions of LFTs the UK Government are desperately trying to offload on anyone who’ll take one to be used for this purpose, at least for UK entry.

All airports will have a testing facility at the airport it won't be a hassle getting a test when abroad but folk may wish to arrive at the airport 24 hours before their flight leaves to be 100% sure they get their test results back in time although technically you could just arrive a few hours early.

It's expensive but some of that is profiteering and some of that is the cost of having people in some remote places doing a handful of tests, don't think we will see the government step in, airlines perhaps but not the government.

[Michael W]

Another aspect that's being missed is the hassle this all causes on arrivals. A few weeks ago there were reports of six hour waits at Heathrow to get through border control. The e-gates are switched off and the staff on hand reduced due to covid measures being in place. Those was also in place during a time of hugely depressed volumes whilst holidays abroad are illegal and inbound travellers needing to be UK citizens or residents or have an allowable purpose (i.e. not a holiday). 

These measures cannot continue with 25% (if we're being generous here) of normal loads. The administration is burdensome and there are any given number of idiots that arrive without the PLF being completed and just delay everyone. 

[madwullie]

Posted by @101 in the twitter thread.

Oft quoted in here Politics for All manufacturing rage against everyone's favourite public health professional. 

 

[Jacksgranda]

Right, that's my two weeks up, I'm awa' oot.

[Distant Doonhamer]

139 new cases of COVID-19 reported

13,744 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results

1.1% of these were positive

0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)  

11 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (was 9 on Friday)

58 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (was 67 on Friday)

2,833,761 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 1,348,050 have received their second dose

Edited May 4, 2021 by Distant Doonhamer

[TheScarf]

1 minute ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

139 new cases of COVID-19 reported

13,744 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results

1.1% of these were positive

0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)  

11 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (was 9 on Friday)

58 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (was 67 0n Friday)

2,833,761 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 1,348,050 have received their second dose

[101]

6 minutes ago, madwullie said:

Politics for All

The main thing I got out of it is their user name is Politics for Ali 

[TheScarf]

2 more in an ICU isn't good. I guess not all vulnerable folk have been vaccinated yet or they have and the they're one of the few unlucky ones where it hasn't been enough.

[PWL]

2 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

2 more in an ICU isn't good. I guess not all vulnerable folk have been vaccinated yet or they have and the they're one of the few unlucky ones where it hasn't been enough.

There will always be a number of individuals for whom any condition would result in ICU. Harsh but they aren't the important ones. Think the general hospital numbers and overall cases are far more important figures to concentrate on. 

[Bairnardo]

Just now, PWL said:

There will always be a number of individuals for whom any condition would result in ICU. Harsh but they aren't the important ones. Think the general hospital numbers and overall cases are far more important figures to concentrate on. 

Yeah, 2 more people in ICU objectively isn't a good thing, but strictly in terms of COVID recovery data, with case numbers, positivity, and hospital numbers all doing cigar things, its not really relevant and is probably an anomaly

[Distant Doonhamer]

9 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

2 more in an ICU isn't good. I guess not all vulnerable folk have been vaccinated yet or they have and the they're one of the few unlucky ones where it hasn't been enough.

I don't think in terms of progress made it's a huge issue either though. The numbers of infections and rates of positivity are down plus crucially the overall hospital numbers are still falling very nicely. We've certainly come a long way from the middle of January where we had 2053 in hospital with 161 of those in ICU. 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Distant Doonhamer

[die hard doonhamer]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

No. I think we all understand supply and demand very well.

What this is, is sheer naked greed and opportunism.

No matter what the disaster is, someone, somewhere will be thinking solely of how he can trouser the fattest possible profit.

I have absolutely no issue with that in this context. It's not an essential service they are providing, it's something that is nice for people to be able to do, if they can afford it. The sector has also had a shit time of it, so I absolutely cannot blame people taking advantage of a surge in demand by hiking their prices and getting their businesses back on an even keel. If the prices are ridiculous, no one will pay it. If there is a market, though, then charge as much as you can seems like good business to me.

[EdinburghPar1975]

The daily infection numbers are now at such a level that you also need to see where the cases are to understand if there is a national low level in each community or if a single cluster somewhere is keeping the numbers up. Either way we must be heading towards a situation where the numbers are 'acceptable' for things to move forward.

I can't see any type of faster easing from ScotGov until the daily cases are under 100 a day for a while (nothing to base this on at all, just a feeling), that added to hopefully greater 1st vaccinations would make it exceptionally difficult for them to prevent anything currently tabled and put pressure on further easing after mid-May. 

[Michael W]

Remember also that people admitted to hospital and that are not in ICU may end up being taken into ICU if their condition declines. 

It would be nice if the numbers went only in one direction, but that's never going to happen unfortunately. 

[Thereisalight..]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

No. I think we all understand supply and demand very well.

What this is, is sheer naked greed and opportunism.

No matter what the disaster is, someone, somewhere will be thinking solely of how he can trouser the fattest possible profit.

Especially the government and who's pals/family members can get their pockets lined the most

[superbigal]

9 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Yeah, 2 more people in ICU objectively isn't a good thing, but strictly in terms of COVID recovery data, with case numbers, positivity, and hospital numbers all doing cigar things, its not really relevant and is probably an anomaly

80% likely to be morbidly obese according to latest reports of ICU admissions with Covid

[Honest_Man#1]

Some of the scientists that get interviewed are becoming more and more like politicians by the day, in their refusal to answer a simple question. Christine Tait-Burkard on radio this morning was going on about case numbers and was asked a simple “what is more important going forward, case numbers or hospital/mortality data?”. Proceeded to waffle on for ages, blatantly ignoring the question (and obvious correct answer of hospital/mortality data) before ending with “so they are both important”.

Firstly, you were asked specifically which was more important. Answer the question please.

Second, stop pretending case numbers will be even remotely important overall going forward.

[superbigal]

Daily Cases Update:  Another decent 48 hours as cases down another 2.75% and overall to 21.3 per 100K.  

Headlines: 21 of 32 Councils all qualify for Level 1 or at least a big fat Cigar.

P&K, Renfrewshire, Dundee City, South Ayrshire all stunning drops.   Glasgow all set to go below Edinburgh. Moray behaving somewhat like Clackmannanshire was mainly due to low population.  Kessington East now Scotland's no go area. I will let the Son's tell me if a shitehouse or the posh part.

 

Scotland peaked at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, (UK was 642.1)    Cases that day were 16,496 and test positivity rate was 11.9%  

Total Cases 7 days from 25th April to 1st May  were 1198 now 1165 down 2.75%. Positivity was 1.1% now 1.1%.   Cases per 100k were 21.9 now 21.3

 

Home Nations Daily update:  UK Average  23.2 to 22.9 down 1.29%, England 23.4 to 23.2 down 0.85%,  Wales  11.1 to 10.5 down 5.41%, Northern Ireland 34.8 to 34.2 down 1.72% 

European (Above 2 Million Population) : Turkey 366 to 295, Sweden 350 to 342, Croatia 352 to 308,  Netherlands 316 to 266, France 286 to 230,  all destinations over 230 cases per 100K     

At the other end as we wait for Traffic Lights you have.  Iceland 23, Albania 25, Finland 26, Portugal 28, Malta 30  that must all stand a decent chance of going green.  Other sun worshiper areas currently are Bulgaria 111, Spain 118, Greece 124, Italy 137, Cyprus 547

Council progress in last 24 Hours as follows.

Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. 
https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

Shifty Tories should be in lockdown club

Moray  64.7 to 78.3  Shitshow continues up another near 21%  Elgin residents enjoying their moment of glory.

Under 50 Level 2 Criteria Club

East Dunbartonshire  48.8 to 42.3  Hopefully peaked now as down 13.32%.  Kessington East is now Scotland's most dangerous neighbourhood.

East Ayrshire  36.1 to 36.9 

North Lanarkshire   34.6 to 32.5 Another 6.07% down,  excellent progress

Fife   32.9 to 29.7  Down 16.57% in 3 days so progress back on.

Glasgow City  29.5 to 28.1 Another near 5% drop.

City Of Edinburgh  26.1 to 26.3   Still rising.

West Lothian  25.7 to 24.6

Falkirk  22.4 to 24.2     

West Dunbartonshire   22.5 to 23.6

East Renfrewshire    18.8 to 22.0  Short stay in the club.

The Should be in Level 1  Club Sub 20.0

South Lanarkshire  16.8 to 19.3 

Dumfries & Galloway  21.5 to 18.1  Back in with the Level 1 club.

Clackmannanshire   13.6 to 17.5  

Perth & Kinross  23.0 to 15.8  Another smoky place. Amazing 31.30% drop.

Stirling  9.6 to 14.9  

North Ayrshire  15.6 to 14.8  

Aberdeen City  13.1 to 14.4  

Renfrewshire    19.0 to 14.0  Amazing another 26.32% drop

South Ayrshire    24.0 to 13.3   Back in the smokers club a stunning 44.58% down

Highlands  9.8 to 11.0

Inverclyde  12.9 to 11.6

Aberdeenshire  8.0 to 11.1

Dundee City   12.7 to 9.4  Wow down another 26%  Only 14 cases in our 4th City.

Angus  6.9 to 6.9 

Scottish  Borders  6.1 to 6.9

East Lothian 4.7 to 3.7

Midlothian  1.1 to 2.2    

Argyll & Bute  7.0 to 1.2  Only 1 case

Orkney Island  4.5 to 0.0 

Shetland Islands  0.0 to 0.0  

Western Isles   0.0 to 0.0

[effeffsee_the2nd]

5 minutes ago, superbigal said:

80% likely to be morbidly obese according to latest reports of ICU admissions with Covid

but It COuld hAPpen  To ANYOne

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

Some of the scientists that get interviewed are becoming more and more like politicians by the day, in their refusal to answer a simple question. Christine Tait-Burkard on radio this morning was going on about case numbers and was asked a simple “what is more important going forward, case numbers or hospital/mortality data?”. Proceeded to waffle on for ages, blatantly ignoring the question (and obvious correct answer of hospital/mortality data) before ending with “so they are both important”.

Firstly, you were asked specifically which was more important. Answer the question please.

Second, stop pretending case numbers will be even remotely important overall going forward.

Instead of being asked these questions in a cosy studio, they should be explaining their extreme views in front of an audience of people whose livelihoods rely on the removal of SD or travel restrictions. Utter freaks who clearly see no personal loss in the retention of "Just in case, wait and see" restrictions and are happy to continue to shriek for them.