Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Elixir]

5 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Is that the best you've got ? Lol. 

You haven't even got the balls to back up your rabid, lunatic pish by answering a simple question. 

There's no need to be upset.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

3 hours ago, Elixir said:

There's no need to be upset.

So still no answer then ? 

A typical, internet ranting coward. Hiding behind sniggers. Back up your insults and allegations, son. 

If you can. 

[Bairnardo]

So still no answer then ? 
A typical, internet ranting coward. Hiding behind sniggers. Back up your insults and allegations, son. 
If you can. 

HWFG

[Arthur Orton]

Back up your insult son...

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

Moonhowlers gotta moonhowl. 

 

[Elixir]

It's extremely boring wiping the floor with you when you clearly can't analyse and understand simple discussion. Winding you up is therefore far more entertaining.

[welshbairn]

22 minutes ago, Elixir said:

It's extremely boring

Yup.

[GTee]

Politicians trying to manage an invisible airborne virus seems to have been a bit rubbish. But they just seem to persist with the pretence they know best.  Clearly the spread is in schools and to the parents etc Zero acknowledgement of this is poor. Just let folk decide now.

[sparky88]

On 19/11/2021 at 23:46, Elixir said:

Yes, Europe absolutely fucked it by delaying their exit wave and opening up until winter. The UK by contrast, particularly in England, have had six months of Delta spread (four post no restrictions) combined with high vaccination rates (and more effective dosing schedule), meaning much higher levels of immunity in the population than anywhere on the continent. We are in a far better place.

I really despise the guy on everything else but Johnson's decision to open up earlier in the summer was a masterstroke, by a mile his biggest success as PM that he doesn't get enough credit for. Left to their own devices I have no doubt the SG would be introducing even more restrictions that they can't or won't pay for. 

[Ross.]

59 minutes ago, sparky88 said:

Left to their own devices I have no doubt the SG would be introducing even more restrictions that they can't or won't pay for. 

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the Scottish Governments approach, and I would say they have got much more wrong than right on this topic, you can’t really criticise them for having to work within the confines of the political system they are part of. You lot shat it in 2014 and the result is that they can’t really do anything too different from London because London controls the purse strings.

As for it being a masterstroke, I’m more inclined to believe it’s the old “broken clock being right twice a day” thing kicking in.

[strichener]

21 minutes ago, Ross. said:

As for it being a masterstroke, I’m more inclined to believe it’s the old “broken clock being right twice a day” thing kicking in.

I guess the clock that the SG have must be missing a hand or something then as they don't appear to be able to get it right.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

51 minutes ago, Ross. said:

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the Scottish Governments approach, and I would say they have got much more wrong than right on this topic, you can’t really criticise them for having to work within the confines of the political system they are part of. You lot shat it in 2014 and the result is that they can’t really do anything too different from London because London controls the purse strings.

As for it being a masterstroke, I’m more inclined to believe it’s the old “broken clock being right twice a day” thing kicking in.

ireland have kept more or less our level 1 restrictions for the whole of this winter, we would have absolutely done the same if we had the power and purse to do so

ireland don't have to appear to care more than westminster, they also have to pay for everything themselves, how do you explain that decision?

[ICTChris]

The truth is that the UK and Scottish governments have moved pretty much in lockstep through the whole pandemic, with some relatively trivial restrictions kept in place slightly longer here and some slightly different messaging in place. Who remembers the controversy about the ‘stay alert’ messaging last year, which had our own FM taking to Twitter to decry only to then rely on the utterly baffling “Remember FACTS” for months afterwards.

[Todd_is_God]

46 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

The truth is that the UK and Scottish governments have moved pretty much in lockstep through the whole pandemic, with some relatively trivial restrictions kept in place slightly longer here and some slightly different messaging in place. Who remembers the controversy about the ‘stay alert’ messaging last year, which had our own FM taking to Twitter to decry only to then rely on the utterly baffling “Remember FACTS” for months afterwards.

I'm not sure vaccine passports (including the constant desire to extend their use) and facemasks for an indefinite period are "trivial"

[sparky88]

2 hours ago, Ross. said:

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the Scottish Governments approach, and I would say they have got much more wrong than right on this topic, you can’t really criticise them for having to work within the confines of the political system they are part of. You lot shat it in 2014 and the result is that they can’t really do anything too different from London because London controls the purse strings.

As for it being a masterstroke, I’m more inclined to believe it’s the old “broken clock being right twice a day” thing kicking in.

We have one example of the SG introducing a restriction not in place in the UK - vaccine passports. They aren't paying lost revenue of businesses affected by the introduction of them. Their response, in fact, has been to introduce them for even more sectors (pubs and restaurants) with a loss of income guaranteed.

All the evidence suggests that this flavour of SG would not be performing any better than Westminster - I strongly suspect we would be experiencing a European style 'fifth wave' if full control was in their hands.

 

[Bairnardo]

Wife and youngest daughter have tested negative. Oldest one is no longer showing any signs of being unwell at all.

Mental that it hasnt found its way to the rest of us. Hopefully now shes sypmtom free it won't spread through the house.

[Ross.]

2 hours ago, strichener said:

I guess the clock that the SG have must be missing a hand or something then as they don't appear to be able to get it right.

One hand is firmly held by Westminster, but the Scottish government have done their best to make the worst of a bad hand.

2 hours ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

ireland have kept more or less our level 1 restrictions for the whole of this winter, we would have absolutely done the same if we had the power and purse to do so

ireland don't have to appear to care more than westminster, they also have to pay for everything themselves, how do you explain that decision?

I think if Scotland was independent it would have done more or less what Ireland has done.

58 minutes ago, sparky88 said:

We have one example of the SG introducing a restriction not in place in the UK - vaccine passports. They aren't paying lost revenue of businesses affected by the introduction of them. Their response, in fact, has been to introduce them for even more sectors (pubs and restaurants) with a loss of income guaranteed.

All the evidence suggests that this flavour of SG would not be performing any better than Westminster - I strongly suspect we would be experiencing a European style 'fifth wave' if full control was in their hands.

 

I think it’s unlikely we’d be where mainland Europe is now. The land border would have seen transmission of the delta variant in far higher numbers. We’d maybe have had lower rates until now, but probably higher than the rest of Europe meaning a lower pick up and peak at this point in time.

[strichener]

27 minutes ago, Ross. said:

One hand is firmly held by Westminster, but the Scottish government have done their best to make the worst of a bad hand.

Not sure if serious.

[Ross.]

26 minutes ago, strichener said:

Not sure if serious.

Which part do you disagree with and I will expand?

[Elixir]

4 hours ago, Ross. said:

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the Scottish Governments approach, and I would say they have got much more wrong than right on this topic, you can’t really criticise them for having to work within the confines of the political system they are part of. You lot shat it in 2014 and the result is that they can’t really do anything too different from London because London controls the purse strings.

As for it being a masterstroke, I’m more inclined to believe it’s the old “broken clock being right twice a day” thing kicking in.

What a relief this diddy mob don't control the purse strings, or things would have been dragged out even longer than they were.

Meanwhile, test and trace is being jettisoned into the sea. Pleasing. Another bit of theatre the Scottish Government will be forced to give up, though I'm sure there will be some pretend mewling over it.

 

 

2 hours ago, ICTChris said:

The truth is that the UK and Scottish governments have moved pretty much in lockstep through the whole pandemic, with some relatively trivial restrictions kept in place slightly longer here and some slightly different messaging in place. Who remembers the controversy about the ‘stay alert’ messaging last year, which had our own FM taking to Twitter to decry only to then rely on the utterly baffling “Remember FACTS” for months afterwards.

Err, the reason for the Scottish Government always moving three weeks after the UK Government is so they could appear more care-y, and because they couldn't be seen to keep people here locked up while they weren't across the border. It's nothing more complicated than that.

As for 'trivial' face masks and vaxx passports we'll have to endure all winter - deary me. By the time they finally relinquish control up here it will probably have been a full 9-10 months that England never had to, with zero benefit to the people of Scotland. Not safety, just theatre, entrenched fear and creating needless hardship for businesses.