effeffsee_the2nd Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I think they've delayed the framework thingy to wait and see what others are doing, that way they can save face without looking like they're backpeddling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Elixir said: Will the Scottish Government announce next week that they're following the Taffs, then? Or will we have to wait for more utter babbling in their 'strategic framework' white elephant? A reminder that Scotland is now the only country in Northern Europe with no timetable for binning masks and vaccine passports. Can chuck 'Test and Protect' in there as well. Test and Protect really is rubbish. That should have been binned ages ago. I received a call from them last week as I had Covid. They ask for various personal details in an unsolicited phone call. Told the person, they called me and that I wasn’t giving any personal information to a cold caller. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 About to take my first and hopefully only ever Covid test. Day 2 after arriving back into the UK. instructions are a hoot. take one picture that shows LFD Passport Test reference from the outside of the box (very helpfully stuck to the side rather than top or bottom of the thinnest box in the world) Booking reference from the confirmation email. Think I’ll take the photo from 20 feet away to fit it all in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennie Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 12 hours ago, Snafu said: The way the media has portrayed the truckers protest in Canada has been absolutely disgraceful, so negative. I fear the same is happening in New Zealand with the protests there. deplorables mk 2 the left has always hated the working class that disobeys its orders, it only cares about power and control good wee article on the truckers from a guy living in Ottawa https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 hours ago, SlipperyP said: Eh you mentioned CD's, so no all bad? Please post one song from the cd's (so we can judge your mood) - If it's legal ken. (big team can be found) Marrakesh express... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Glennie said: deplorables mk 2 the left has always hated the working class that disobeys its orders, it only cares about power and control good wee article on the truckers from a guy living in Ottawa https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/ These protests might be working class people, however they are doing the work of a powerful Facebook run disinformation campaign. Can't think which country would prefer to attempt to cause distribution in the western world. However you don't have to be a member of the brain trust to figure it out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennie Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Elixir said: What a disgrace 'The Science' has truly been. Many lying, self-serving charlatans as much as any bent political party. it been known for a long time well before covid replication crises, pay for results, publish any old shite to survive, guard reputation at all costs ive mentioned it before people should now examine climate catastrophe hysteria, same tactics and bs as covid hysteria 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennie Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 101 said: These protests might be working class people, however they are doing the work of a powerful Facebook run disinformation campaign. Can't think which country would prefer to attempt to cause distribution in the western world. However you don't have to be a member of the brain trust to figure it out. ffs mate we're two years into covid hysteria theres no disinformation campaign needed, its happened, its happening, done by our own govts, own state. the truckers and their supporters are protesting this, largely about mandates russia, china twisting the knife is neither here nor there Edited February 11, 2022 by Glennie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Glennie said: ffs mate we're two years into covid hysteria theres no disinformation campaign needed, its happened, its happening, done by our own govts, own state. the truckers and their supporters are protesting this, largely about mandates russia, china twisting the knife is neither here nor there Lol Facebook literally confirmed it today. Try and keep up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennie Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 good god 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 How about reflecting on your absolutely horrendous modelling that was catastrophically wrong last summer, and then blatantly failed to account for the real world data screaming out of South Africa in December, which very nearly bounced the UK Government into lockdown measures, did in Scotland and Wales, and led to 'Plan B' in England. Of course, this also meant more hilariously wrong modelling this winter, as cases and hospitalisations now fall away like snow off a dyke *after* England has filed 'Plan B' in the bin where it belongs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Glennie said: deplorables mk 2 the left has always hated the working class that disobeys its orders, it only cares about power and control good wee article on the truckers from a guy living in Ottawa https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/ I bet the Canadian truck drivers, 90% of whom are vaccinated, are delighted at sitting in queues at the Michigan border caused by these antivax nutcases, or having to take huge diversions. Edited February 12, 2022 by welshbairn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Not a fan of Fox News but .....here it is. I was in the USA a couple of weeks ago and Fox News was one of the few channels on the hotel TV. I managed to watch a bit and thought it was a joke at first. There's been some extreme takes on this thread (from both sides) but this was something else. It's mental that some of the opinions given are being broadcast to one of the biggest nations in the world but also goes a long way to explaining why so many Americans are fucking nuts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Snafu said: Not a fan of Fox News but .....here it is. What’s wrong with Fox News? It takes a position which everyone knows about just like CNN or MSNBC on the other side. For a balanced perspective you should watch contributors from both sides. Tucker is excellent, in my opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Snafu said: The working class/those on lower income have no one that truly represents their interests in politics anymore. Not in the USA, not Canada and not here. The right and the left are indistinguishable from each other, in the USA Republicans and Democrats share the same self interests and could easily be called two cheeks of the same arse. Aside of that I see this goFundme for the truckers which has raised around 8m has been shut down by an Judge on The Ontario Superior Court of Justice, they have now had to shift their funding elsewhere. You can read this thread and the attached news article. But there at protests in Australia being set up by people in Bangladesh. Weird! I think what is interesting is their protests don't seem to be founded on basic workers rights or protection of the low income. Their protests aren't calling for 100% statutory sick pay or one of covid taxes on companies that have done well. Instead they seem to be protesting things that have been designed to keep them safe, masks, vaccines, vaccine/ Covid status passports. All work to some degree in a range of settings. In terms of representation you get what you vote for i.e if you don't vote no one will represent you or if the parties don't cover your views set up a party. Most countries have some form of socialists but they rarely get much support. On to Tucker Carlson. Christ . 10 hours ago, Snafu said: Not a fan of Fox News but .....here it is. He claims Trudeau is in hiding despite him still doing media work. Also calls Canada a tyranny, despite there *just* being an election. Mark Carney is ex Bank of England no surprise to see his view. Tucker goes on to say they should poll small business owners, saying we know what they would say. This insinuating results is classic disinformation, poll then and find out don't assume they are happy with the protest. Nice dig at Black Lives Matter, racist twat. Interviewed a guy who claims to have been banned from leaving the country, simply not sure. For some countries he would have to self isolate on his return. Again another dig at Black Lives Matter. Racist twat. The bit about Facebook is covered up there, they aren't stopping the pages they are stopping random people of ghost accounts settings it up. CNN dig, saying they serve the ruling class. Just nicely glossing over then being the mouth piece of Trump. Claiming the driver is mentally ill for wearing a mask whilst driving, why should people be banned for driving just for wearing a mask. Asking what would happen if America truck drivers went on strike if they had to do something they don't have to do. What is this madness. Tldr. That Tucker Carlson clip is fucking batshit mental, didn't once go into why they are legitimately protesting about return to isolation after leaving Canada. He's mainly interested in owning the libs when of course he just comes across as a stupid racist. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, 101 said: things that have been designed to keep them safe, masks, vaccines, vaccine/ Covid status passports. All work to some degree in a range of settings. Not commenting on the rest of the post as the majority I agree with, but going to need to evidence for this assertion please. Particularly the second one, as it goes against what even our government has said about passports. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 10 hours ago, oaksoft said: Surely after all this time you're capable of spotting when you're being manipulated for political gain by all sides and not just those whose views you oppose? What political gain is there me wearing a mask? Or washing my hands Or getting a vaccine? Or Self isolating when I'm sick? I have done all three because I think it's the right thing to do, to protect other people obviously to a degree of success. It's like lots of these things were the right thing to do before Covid. I'm sure most people test(ed) at least annually for HIV, maybe more regularly for other sexually transmitted diseases, but now it's "political" to test for Covid. I'm sure plenty people took the flu vaccine if they were eligible and in fact plenty other just have taken it as every pharmacy in the land offered it. 10 hours ago, oaksoft said: So can we stop all this nonsense that it's just the right wing anti-vaxxers indulging in this shitshow? The problem we have with doing this is all the protest groups go back to Qanon, Anti Semitism and such like even to the point when you have the Prime Minister of the UK trotting out a right wing conspiracy theory in parliament which results in the leader of the opposite being accosted. The other disinformation from the state I don't think is disinformation purely because they publish the information in full people are just disagreeing to what extent their response is proportional, something we have been able to disagree about for centuries. -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: Not commenting on the rest of the post as the majority I agree with, but going to need to evidence for this assertion please. Particularly the second one, as it goes against what even our government has said about passports. Masks in the right settings work incredibly well, indeed pretty much anything that has been designed medically is going to provide a decent level of protection when worn correctly. Vaccine status drives uptake and internationally it works to allow tourism when vaccine inequality is still high. Covid status allows people who don't want to be vaccinated or are unable to be vaccinated to access places when a status check is required. It in fact does so more safely than simply being vaccinated. However in Scotland with high levels of vaccination proof of vaccination domestically isn't that important however if other countries want it then it ensures our tourism market stays open. -9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, 101 said: Masks in the right settings work incredibly well, indeed pretty much anything that has been designed medically is going to provide a decent level of protection when worn correctly. Vaccine status drives uptake and internationally it works to allow tourism when vaccine inequality is still high. Covid status allows people who don't want to be vaccinated or are unable to be vaccinated to access places when a status check is required. It in fact does so more safely than simply being vaccinated. However in Scotland with high levels of vaccination proof of vaccination domestically isn't that important however if other countries want it then it ensures our tourism market stays open. None of this is actually about “keeping people safe” though, so fairly irrelevant to the point you made? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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