Todd_is_God Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 A points deduction would be hillarious, just to see the seethe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just now, Todd_is_God said: A points deduction would be hillarious, just to see the seethe Amusing, but not possible. SPFL league points are outwith the SFA's jurisdiction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Aim Here said: Amusing, but not possible. SPFL league points are outwith the SFA's jurisdiction. Aww ☹ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Aim Here said: Amusing, but not possible. SPFL league points are outwith the SFA's jurisdiction. That would just make it even more hilarious, IMHO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 The SFA rules are strict and there for good reason. Going to court means more legal costs for everone; causes delays and with potential appeals can cause havoc. Arbitration by neutrals minimises costs, obtains a quick result and there is no appeal. All clubs signed up to that agreement.Expulsion is the only fair outcome. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Force them to build a new stand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Pull My Strings said: Is there a "standard" punishment for such an offence. What are you basing that on? the Published SFA Judicial Panel Protocol sets out the normal range of fines for each offence. In this case £500 for a lower end offence, £2500 for mid range and £5000 for upper end. It does allow for a max of £500k but fines in normal situations usually are in the low to high end range. They might go £10k given the seriousness here but wouldn’t be surprised to see normal range applied 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 So are we getting the result today or what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Coventry Saint said: Their entire case was laughable, and they clearly didn't have a leg to stand on. However, I'd defend their right to stand up for their interests, in the courts if required, and if they're happy to run the risk of being stuck paying costs. I really don't think any further punishment would be appropriate*. * Though it would be hilarious. Inappropriate, but hilarious. Further? They haven't had any punishment yet. The award of costs is not a punishment. They certainly have the "right to stand up for their interests", There was a mechanism for them to do so, and to which they'd agreed, but chose to ignore. So punishment is entirely appropriate and well-deserved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Should be £10k for Hearts and £5k for Thistle, then we move on. They should be hit with all the cost though and I include the bottle of wine I drank reading the thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, NorthBank said: The SFA rules are strict and there for good reason. Going to court means more legal costs for everone; causes delays and with potential appeals can cause havoc. Arbitration by neutrals minimises costs, obtains a quick result and there is no appeal. All clubs signed up to that agreement. Expulsion is the only fair outcome. Permanent expulsion would be a bit harsh. Suspension of their SFA membership for 2 seasons, one of which suspended. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 It won't be anything other than a slap on the wrists, unfortunately. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Slap on the wrist it is. A nice wee twist of the knife to round off the summer's humiliation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Should have been £250k IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelmen Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Good old SFA. what a way to deter teams from breaking the rules, fine them a sum that most fans could stump up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, steelmen said: Good old SFA. what a way to deter teams from breaking the rules, fine them a sum that most fans could stump up. It was a 'no lasting harm done' offence, it already cost the two clubs a five-figure sum in legal costs, and it does set the precedent that this behaviour will be punished, with the possibility of bigger punishments for subsequent repetitions. There's also the warning from Lord Clark that the rule could possibly have been illegal if the punishment was too severe, so they were probably wise not to chance it. Edited August 6, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Hopefully there will be "written reasons" to follow, bit like full results in horse racing. Eg. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/6182/reasons-paul-mckay-airdrieonians-fc.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 £25k seemed reasonable to me, they tried to stop the fucking league going ahead and bankrupt smaller clubs, £2.5k is f**k all to either club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Aim Here said: Slap on the wrist it is. A nice wee twist of the knife to round off the summer's humiliation. 47 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: It won't be anything other than a slap on the wrists, unfortunately. Yep. Needed to do something, but lenient as they could possibly be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Moonster said: £25k seemed reasonable to me, they tried to stop the fucking league going ahead and bankrupt smaller clubs, £2.5k is f**k all to either club. No they didn't. There was no attempt to halt or postpone the league in the petition to the Court of Session. Delaying the league and bankrupting smaller clubs wa maybe on the wishlist of the JKB moonhowlers, but it didn't form part of the arbitration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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