jimbaxters Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Who cares about the English system. We follow them enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestman1954 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Who cares about the English system. We follow them enough. I support Ayr and come to watch them regularly but I live in England and this comment interested me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossilYM Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Honestman1954 said: I support Ayr and come to watch them regularly but I live in England and this comment interested me. Don't worry H, just one of our backwoodsmen talking silly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, parsforlife said: I’m not necessarily arguing to do things ‘the English way’ as I think we can be a bit lazy and just try and copy them, But their solution here would be having official link-ups with the amateur leagues, having maximum number of clubs at a particular level is fine but it can’t mean no more applications, It should just mean the if an application meets the criteria then someone gets relegated to an amateur league, which they are perfectly entitled to try and succeed in and apply themselves the next season. Problem without those links then it’s not relegation it’s kicking teams out which is a far bigger thing. Doesn’t help the WoS amateur leagues are an absolute farce of clubs just randomly clumped into leagues rather than the sensible regional organisation where clubs and move up and down divisions that the rest of the country has easily arranged Maybe introduce "District Development" Divisions for e.g. Ayrshire, Glasgow West and Glasgow East or split Glasgow North and West South, whatever works best? Clubs wanting promotion to Division Four would follow the English example and apply for promotion by a dead-line date with say the top approved applicant from each District being promoted and the bottom three from Div.4 relegated. At least that would soften the blow of relegation to any of the current leagues. The District leagues would have to be open to applications rather than a promotion/relegation situation with the lower leagues. Applications could also be considered from clubs in Youth Leagues or even cold starts. It wouldn't be reasonable to block such clubs as such. They could get in and fail at District level if that's how it turns out but don't turn them away if they appear to be properly organised. Edited June 16, 2023 by Dev typo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 51 minutes ago, Honestman1954 said: I support Ayr and come to watch them regularly but I live in England and this comment interested me. Our pyramid bears no resemblance to the English version so there's no point in comparing them. The size of leagues there should always be larger as well as more of them due to the population difference. Probably not as interesting as you thought 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestman1954 Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Our pyramid bears no resemblance to the English version so there's no point in comparing them. The size of leagues there should always be larger as well as more of them due to the population difference. Probably not as interesting as you thought I wasnt comparing them, I have different motives, so dont try to 2nd guess me. You have no idea of my interest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Honestman1954 said: I wasnt comparing them, I have different motives, so dont try to 2nd guess me. You have no idea of my interest What's with the aggression? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossilYM Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, jimbaxters said: What's with the aggression? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Hasnt this amazing English system got a London team playing in a ‘Northern League’ below the national conference or something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Hasnt this amazing English system got a London team playing in a ‘Northern League’ below the national conference or something? I’ve seen a few clubs protesting the region they have been placed in at a different levels down there. Not sure if that’s normal or if they are encountering more problems with their push to make ‘the perfect pyramid’ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Hasnt this amazing English system got a London team playing in a ‘Northern League’ below the national conference or something? If you look at the North league and the South league, I'd probably rather be in the north league tbh. Travelling around the M4 corridor and getting down to Devon/Cornwall or even the Kent coast from even Essex is a total nightmare! At least the North division all have straight-ish roads leading to them all! Anyway.... fk copying it in Scotland, a "north" league with Albion Rovers, Cumbernauld Colts and Linlithgow sounds brutal 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 I definitely wouldn't advocate copying what England does on not relegating extra clubs out of feeder divisions to accommodate extra clubs relegated into them and then shifting teams around instead (we are following the German way of doing things on that), but having promotion and relegation agreements with amateur leagues subject to clubs meeting ground requirements and applying to step up after showing they have what it takes on the field of play is the obvious next step where the WoS and EoS are concerned. If numbers are capped at 80 clubs, maybe something like the bottom three in the fourth division would be subject to potential relegation each season, if a club like Dumbarton St Pats has finished in the top few places of their amateur league and has a suitable ground sorted and/or extra clubs are relegated into the WoS from the LL? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 No pyramid system is without its' issues so the Scottish one has to fit Scotland as best possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iveajimmyboneon Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 12 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Hasnt this amazing English system got a London team playing in a ‘Northern League’ below the national conference or something? Bishop’s Stortford are about to enter their second stint in the National League North plus throw in the likes of Gloucester and Hereford into that section and it’s a joke. Basically the cut off point for the National League is almost the River Severn to the South West and Hertfordshire to the North of London. The FA are equally as daft as the SFA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 7 hours ago, iveajimmyboneon said: Bishop’s Stortford are about to enter their second stint in the National League North plus throw in the likes of Gloucester and Hereford into that section and it’s a joke. Basically the cut off point for the National League is almost the River Severn to the South West and Hertfordshire to the North of London. The FA are equally as daft as the SFA. There’s no “cut off line”, it’s whoever are the BEST 40(or 48) teams at that level, then they split them ‘north’ and ‘south’. On paper it’s the best way but in the real world it sometimes isn’t. Where exactly would you split England? There’s no real border/barrier through the middle and everywhere in the middle is well connected. We have the Cairngorms so regions works for us, it just means the south has more strong clubs then the north but it should be an issue with only 42 national places available… then there’s only the Dundee to Aberdeen corridor to sort out, which we still nearly managed to have a civil war over! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfha Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 A map of the National League was posted on Tony's site and the North section was basically everything down to Middlesex! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duraglit shareholder Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Just copy the German model, as someone already suggested, you can assume it's probably the best, vorst sprung technik , or something like that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 On 17/06/2023 at 20:45, sfha said: A map of the National League was posted on Tony's site and the North section was basically everything down to Middlesex! If you draw a line from Stroud thru Chelmsford produced, it'll fairly accurately separate North and South of the country into its two roughly triangular sections of approximately equal geographic area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just posted on the Amateurs Thread: Amateur to WoS progression By Brad Bobley 13 minutes ago in Amateur Football ATTENTION ALL CLUBS Amateur clubs in the West of Scotland will soon have an opportunity to join the Scottish football pyramid after an agreement between the West of Scotland Football League (WoSFL) and the Scottish Amateur Football Association (SAFA). The agreement means that when a vacancy arises for a club to join the West of Scotland Football League, perhaps due to the Premier Division champion club being promoted to the Lowland League, that the vacancy could be filled by an amateur club, from the Scottish Amateur Football Association (SAFA), that satisfies all the necessary stadium and other criteria required to join the WoSFL. Any SAFA amateur club, based within the defined geographical boundary of the League, that wishes to apply for membership of the WoSFL will now be able to do so at any time via the wosfl.co.uk website. There, all the information will be available, including a copy of the stadium criteria clubs will be required to meet and the League constitution. Clubs will also be able to complete an online self-assessment form to start the process. A visit from a delegate of the WoSFL will highlight any aspect of the application that needs to be improved, including the stadium criteria and once the club has satisfied the requirements, they will be placed on an accredited list clubs eligible to join the League. When a vacancy arises, those clubs on the approved list will be invited to make a presentation to a panel made up of both the WoSFL and the SAFA to determine which club will fill the vacancy. The agreement also means that any youth club that wishes to become a member of the WoSFL must in the first instance, join their local SAFA League or Association. After they have been members of the Scottish Amateur FA for a season, they will then be eligible to apply to become an accredited club to join the WoSFL. SAFA President, Iain Cowden, said that this agreement was a positive step that allowed those progressive amateur clubs an opportunity to make the step into senior football, while allowing open dialogue with member clubs to assist them going forward. “This agreement is great news for all amateur clubs in the West of Scotland who may have ambitions of progressing into the pyramid system of Scottish Football whilst at the same time protecting the status of the Scottish Amateur FA in the West of Scotland, in that clubs out with our organisation who wish to join the pyramid system, must become a member of the Scottish Amateur FA before they can become eligible to apply to the West of Scotland League.” “This is an excellent opportunity for our clubs, and I believe that this is a blueprint that could be replicated elsewhere in Scotland for the benefit of our national game.” Matt Bamford, Chairman of the West of Scotland Football League agreed and stated that football is the winner from this agreement. “This agreement is a win/win for both the League and for amateur football. It allows clubs to achieve the minimum criteria for membership of the WoSFL so that they have everything in place when a vacancy arises.” “It also protects the amateur game and benefits not only progressive amateur clubs but also youth clubs with a defined pathway into senior football should they so desire.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 What amounts to an election system ain't great, but its baby steps to what could see something more formal eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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