Sarah Everard

[Jacksgranda]

1 minute ago, Granny Danger said:

The saddest thing about this is that when the present furore dies down nothing will have changed.

 

Nothing ever does, whether it's the police, social workers, health & safety etc

[Granny Danger]

Just now, Jacksgranda said:

Nothing ever does, whether it's the police, social workers, health & safety etc

I dare to believe that we can create a society where change for the better is possible.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

20 minutes ago, Aim Here said:

Cressida Dick is unsackable and has been for fifteen years. She was the officer in charge of the team that assassinated a Brazilian electrician in Stockwell Tube Station, and somehow nobody managed to get any kind of disciplinary sanctions for that. On the contrary, she got promoted a few months later...

They even created the myth that he made a run for it and jumped the ticket barrier. I like to think of myself as being switched on to that kind of bullshit, but I completely believed the barrier jumping story for years until I read about it fairly recently on here.

[doulikefish]

"Can I use your radio to check your real please"

[Aim Here]

32 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

They even created the myth that he made a run for it and jumped the ticket barrier. I like to think of myself as being switched on to that kind of bullshit, but I completely believed the barrier jumping story for years until I read about it fairly recently on here.

I suspect what happened there - and with the stories that the guy being shot had a thick coat with wires from it (the first officer to interact with Menezes grabbed him, but he was pushed to the ground by the one doing the shooting) - was that people saw plain clothes officers jumping barriers and acting in unusual ways and assumed that they were looking at the supposed terrorist suspect - and the police didn't actually correct the initial misinformation. In fact they were letting everyone think that they had killed a terrorist for something like a day or two.

[Wile E Coyote]

8 minutes ago, Aim Here said:

I suspect what happened there - and with the stories that the guy being shot had a thick coat with wires from it (the first officer to interact with Menezes grabbed him, but he was pushed to the ground by the one doing the shooting) - was that people saw plain clothes officers jumping barriers and acting in unusual ways and assumed that they were looking at the supposed terrorist suspect - and the police didn't actually correct the initial misinformation. In fact they were letting everyone think that they had killed a terrorist for something like a day or two.

You are being too kind to the Met. They made up a pack of lies and deliberately briefed the media on it to cover up the fact they murdered an innocent man

[Aim Here]

Just now, Wile E Coyote said:

You are being too kind to the Met. They made up a pack of lies and deliberately briefed the media on it to cover up the fact they murdered an innocent man

The lies that he and I'm referring to weren't explicitly put out by the cops, though.Those were early eyewitness reports in the press that went uncorrected. I'm not saying there weren't other lies, of course.

[doulikefish]

4 minutes ago, Aim Here said:

The lies that he and I'm referring to weren't explicitly put out by the cops, though.Those were early eyewitness reports in the press that went uncorrected. I'm not saying there weren't other lies, of course.

100k to the family to make it disappear 

[Cheese]

Who will police the police ?

"Bus drivers"

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

They even created the myth that he made a run for it and jumped the ticket barrier. I like to think of myself as being switched on to that kind of bullshit, but I completely believed the barrier jumping story for years until I read about it fairly recently on here.

Me too.

[Shotgun]

9 minutes ago, Namond Brice said:

We truly are living in an alternate reality where those in power can literally say whatever the f**k they want with no consequences. And I have a feeling it's only going to get worse.

[RH33]

Remember when parody used to be a thing?!

[Mark Connolly]

Fully expecting another senior copper to come out tomorrow and tell us women are safer if they just stay in the fucking kitchen.

It's not even just tone deaf, it's total closing of ranks in utter desperation because they know they have made a complete c**t of the whole thing

[doulikefish]

6 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

Fully expecting another senior copper to come out tomorrow and tell us women are safer if they just stay in the fucking kitchen.

It's not even just tone deaf, it's total closing of ranks in utter desperation because they know they have made a complete c**t of the whole thing

It's mental "flag down a bus" they have lost it 

[Fullerene]

1 hour ago, Namond Brice said:

What a ridiculous suggestion for her to make.  Buses are not located everywhere.  More importantly, she is practically saying "yeah, we might have more like him.  You can't be too sure."

[plodofthenorth]

I have had a good few years enjoying all sorts of topics on here, without ever feeling the need to comment, however, I now feel the need to put my head above the parapet. I have over 20 years service in the police. In that time I have watched the job change incredibly and I would readily admit that the service we provide to the public is not as good as it should be. In my opinion we have lost sight of our main priority, which is to provide a service to the community and try our best to keep people safe. I will also be the first to admit that we, alongside all other companies, have our fair share of folk who should not be in that job, probably more so than any other agency due to the  nature of the job. However, every time I go to work, I, along with the majority of my colleagues, try and do the best we can with the limited resources given to us. The Sarah Everard case is horrendous and I am glad that he received a whole life term, in fact I would probably go further on  that, but it would be a different topic. Over and above his horrific acts, he has played his part in destroying any  remaining trust the public had in what we do. That being said, I do find it difficult to read that, purely because of the job I do, I am automatically labelled an acab or worse. The police are routinely left to deal with all manner of things that we are not equipped to deal with, the main one being mental health, and then criticised whenever anything goes wrong.  Defend the police is a great slogan for America, but maybe not so good for here, as we have precious little to go around as it is.  I know this post is more suited to the general police thread, but it seemed to be relevant here. Oaksoft said earlier that we have a strong union. That is wrong, we have a staff association made up of office bearers that can't be voted out. We also have no right to strike, so in all honesty they are a waste of time. And also an embarrassment on a number of occasions. 

[Distant Doonhamer]

3 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Those comments from the Yorkshire commissioner say it all. The police aren't upset about the kidnap, rape and murder of a defenceless women. They are upset because it is one of their own has been sent down.

If Johnson has the slightest backbone, he should have made Priti Patel sack Cressida Dick on the spot yesterday and then promptly sacked Patel himself.

Correct. Won't happen though. Johnson is a spineless arsehole who's clearly scared of Patel. Cressida Dick will quite possibly be viewed as being expendable though.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

6 hours ago, Jeff Venom said:

There's yer North Yorkshire police commissioner Philip Allott saying women should be streetwise and know the law.

Furiously backtracking right now I think, so as to not sound like a victim-blaming idiot.



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3 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Those comments from the Yorkshire commissioner say it all. The police aren't upset about the kidnap, rape and murder of a defenceless women. They are upset because it is one of their own has been sent down.

If Johnson has the slightest backbone, he should have made Priti Patel sack Cressida Dick on the spot yesterday and then promptly sacked Patel himself.

I absolutely agree with you that Dick should have been fired ages ago, the fact House would be the likely favourite to replace her fills me with dread. 
The PCC is not a police officer, they are a tory politician. They have no influence in operational policing in England.

As for the flag down a bus thing, jesus. But see in all honesty if a lone male police officer has business to arrest someone down south for a minor offence (i say down south because most arrests here are corroborated), then they should do everything they can to not ‘put hands’ on that person until other officers arrive, they can do that by talking to the person ‘im a police officer, i need to speak to you but im going to wait for uniformed colleagues to arrive, ill keep my distance and heres my warrant card, feel free to phone 999 and verify’. In most circumstances that would absolutely be appropriate. But that shouldnt be necessary and more should be done to weed out people like that monster, regardless of cost. 

[invergowrie arab]

11 minutes ago, plodofthenorth said:

I have had a good few years enjoying all sorts of topics on here, without ever feeling the need to comment, however, I now feel the need to put my head above the parapet. I have over 20 years service in the police. In that time I have watched the job change incredibly and I would readily admit that the service we provide to the public is not as good as it should be. In my opinion we have lost sight of our main priority, which is to provide a service to the community and try our best to keep people safe. I will also be the first to admit that we, alongside all other companies, have our fair share of folk who should not be in that job, probably more so than any other agency due to the  nature of the job. However, every time I go to work, I, along with the majority of my colleagues, try and do the best we can with the limited resources given to us. The Sarah Everard case is horrendous and I am glad that he received a whole life term, in fact I would probably go further on  that, but it would be a different topic. Over and above his horrific acts, he has played his part in destroying any  remaining trust the public had in what we do. That being said, I do find it difficult to read that, purely because of the job I do, I am automatically labelled an acab or worse. The police are routinely left to deal with all manner of things that we are not equipped to deal with, the main one being mental health, and then criticised whenever anything goes wrong.  Defend the police is a great slogan for America, but maybe not so good for here, as we have precious little to go around as it is.  I know this post is more suited to the general police thread, but it seemed to be relevant here. Oaksoft said earlier that we have a strong union. That is wrong, we have a staff association made up of office bearers that can't be voted out. We also have no right to strike, so in all honesty they are a waste of time. And also an embarrassment on a number of occasions. 

I belive most cops are decent people doing their best. I also belive most cops have witnessed corruption, bullying and fabrication of evidence and done nothing about it. I'm not judging- I would shit myself to put my head above the parapet in an institutionally corrupt organisation too.

This was what the whole American defund the police thing was about. Not that you don't have police and have anarchy but that the current model is incorrigible. 

[Left Back]

12 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

 

I absolutely agree with you that Dick should have been fired ages ago, the fact House would be the likely favourite to replace her fills me with dread. 
The PCC is not a police officer, they are a tory politician. They have no influence in operational policing in England.

As for the flag down a bus thing, jesus. But see in all honesty if a lone male police officer has business to arrest someone down south for a minor offence (i say down south because most arrests here are corroborated), then they should do everything they can to not ‘put hands’ on that person until other officers arrive, they can do that by talking to the person ‘im a police officer, i need to speak to you but im going to wait for uniformed colleagues to arrive, ill keep my distance and heres my warrant card, feel free to phone 999 and verify’. In most circumstances that would absolutely be appropriate. But that shouldnt be necessary and more should be done to weed out people like that monster, regardless of cost. 

I’m surprised the number of people that don’t know a Police Officer, even in uniform, has to carry a warrant card.  Only time I’ve ever been stopped by plain clothes the first thing I said was to show me their warrant cards.