Wee Bully Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Ok, that narrows it down a little bit. Care to narrow it down some more? Do you think that any groups in the U.K. will be impacted more than other groups, or do you think it’ll be completely even across the board? He doesn’t believe it will impact anyone. Best leave him to his delusions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 The signs of a desperate government. Stoke up the culture war, roll back on green commitments and attack immigrants. It is all that is left in the Tory playbook. Hopefully they get their collective arse handed to them at the next election. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Looks like the government paying for a liar’s legal fees is maybe not within the rules. Who’d have thunk it? Watchdog criticises decision to pay Johnson's £265,000 Partygate bill https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66852723 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Ok, that narrows it down a little bit. Care to narrow it down some more? I don't need to. The OP clearly stated that pushing back net zero policies is "not what those that will be most impacted by climate change want", and that "those most impacted will be young people". I'm asking him, and anyone else who wants to chime in, exactly what impact climate change is going to have on anyone in the UK, and why young people will be most impacted. Why is it so hard to answer a fairly straightforward question? 59 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Do you think that any groups in the U.K. will be impacted more than other groups, or do you think it’ll be completely even across the board? I think any impact of climate change in the UK, if at all, will be minimal. Edited September 20, 2023 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 I can't believe anyone is engaging with a climate change denier. The Tory announcement is purely based on them winning a bye election that was fought on a single issue. Sunak has seen an opportunity based on an assumption made on the back of winning that bye election fought purely on a campaign against LEZs. The fact they think this will work UK wide shows just how desperate they are. They see it an an ideal hook to the swithering Todd's within their electorate. It's as shallow as it is desperate but let's face it there are plenty moon howling deniers (climate change deniers tend to be deniers on most subjects) in the UK, the GBnews types will be lapping this up, it just remains to be seen how many of them are actually out there and how many of those it will sway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I don't need to. The OP clearly stated that pushing back net zero policies is "not what those that will be most impacted by climate change want", and that "those most impacted will be young people". I'm asking him, and anyone else who wants to chime in, exactly what impact climate change is going to have on anyone in the UK, and why young people will be most impacted. Why is it so hard to answer a fairly straightforward question? I think any impact of climate change in the UK, if at all, will be minimal. Loathe as I am to engage with someone leaning towards the Rees Mogg end of the spectrum here goes ... Nah, f**k it. Edited September 20, 2023 by HTG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pthardie Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: I can't believe anyone is engaging with a climate change denier. The Tory announcement is purely based on them winning a bye election that was fought on a single issue. Sunak has seen an opportunity based on an assumption made on the back of winning that bye election fought purely on a campaign against LEZs. The fact they think this will work UK wide shows just how desperate they are. They see it an an ideal hook to the swithering Todd's within their electorate. It's as shallow as it is desperate but let's face it there are plenty moon howling deniers (climate change deniers tend to be deniers on most subjects) in the UK, the GBnews types will be lapping this up, it just remains to be seen how many of them are actually out there and how many of those it will sway. I think Tories and Labour seen it as a single issue and never analysed any further. It's still a big swing for the majority to have gone from around 7k to 500 in a seat that's been occupied by a Tory forever but both parties are looking at rowing back on green policies which looks to be out of step with what most of the electorate actually want to happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coprolite Posted September 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: I don't need to. The OP clearly stated that pushing back net zero policies is "not what those that will be most impacted by climate change want", and that "those most impacted will be young people". I'm asking him, and anyone else who wants to chime in, exactly what impact climate change is going to have on anyone in the UK, and why young people will be most impacted. Why is it so hard to answer a fairly straightforward question? I think any impact of climate change in the UK, if at all, will be minimal. Fortunately we don’t live in a globalised society so we can just ignore the increasing chaos and conflict over water rights and won’t be in any way impacted by the world’s poor increasingly looking for somewhere habitable to live. Fortunately, global migration is an issue that the UK has historically been insulated from and when it has impacted us, we’ve dealt with it really sensibly. And we have some really robust supply chains for food and fuel and wouldn’t be at all impacted by droughts or other changing weather patterns elsewhere on the globe. An increase in the northern range boundary or crop pests and human pathogens that a couple of degrees rise in temperatures should also not be a problem. I know scientists say it will but I’m cleverer than scientists. They make all this shit up for research grants you know. 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, coprolite said: Fortunately we don’t live in a globalised society so we can just ignore the increasing chaos and conflict over water rights and won’t be in any way impacted by the world’s poor increasingly looking for somewhere habitable to live. Fortunately, global migration is an issue that the UK has historically been insulated from and when it has impacted us, we’ve dealt with it really sensibly. And we have some really robust supply chains for food and fuel and wouldn’t be at all impacted by droughts or other changing weather patterns elsewhere on the globe. An increase in the northern range boundary or crop pests and human pathogens that a couple of degrees rise in temperatures should also not be a problem. I know scientists say it will but I’m cleverer than scientists. They make all this shit up for research grants you know. You forgot that the UK has never been under any risk of localised flooding which more extreme rainfall and temperature swings likely result in much more land over the next 20-30 years being put at risk. Good job that the UK, whilst not suffering from any risk in the first place of course, has first class investment in flood prevention and mitigation and excellent foresight in planning, building and development. Edited September 20, 2023 by Aladdin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, coprolite said: An increase in the northern range boundary or crop pests and human pathogens that a couple of degrees rise in temperatures should also not be a problem. I know scientists say it will but I’m cleverer than scientists. They make all this shit up for research grants you know. FoLlOw tHe MoNeY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: I don't need to. The OP clearly stated that pushing back net zero policies is "not what those that will be most impacted by climate change want", and that "those most impacted will be young people". I'm asking him, and anyone else who wants to chime in, exactly what impact climate change is going to have on anyone in the UK, and why young people will be most impacted. Why is it so hard to answer a fairly straightforward question? I think any impact of climate change in the UK, if at all, will be minimal. Was going to reply, but coprolite pretty much said much better what I was going to say. Back in the closeted world you live in where people in the UK believed we were not impacted by global events, the changes around the world would be felt less. However, if you think the small boats and displaced peoples are a problem now, wait until Bangladesh is under water. They ain't heading for Peru to start a new life, they are primarily, outside the sub continent, heading here. I'd love your view to be right and climate change will be or is, a non event, but some of us live in the real world. Even if, as you wish, the UK was 100% directly immune from any of it, we have the technological know how and already hold advantages in the technologies those who will be impacted will need and want. But hey, let's ignore all major scientists, economists and our own eyes and believe what GB News and Todd_is_god think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: I can't believe anyone is engaging with a climate change denier. The Tory announcement is purely based on them winning a bye election that was fought on a single issue. Sunak has seen an opportunity based on an assumption made on the back of winning that bye election fought purely on a campaign against LEZs. The fact they think this will work UK wide shows just how desperate they are. They see it an an ideal hook to the swithering Todd's within their electorate. It's as shallow as it is desperate but let's face it there are plenty moon howling deniers (climate change deniers tend to be deniers on most subjects) in the UK, the GBnews types will be lapping this up, it just remains to be seen how many of them are actually out there and how many of those it will sway. Yes, pretty much this, denial, desperation and political expediency presented as reasoned common sense. It's a dog whistle to white van man, SUV school run mum, elderly golf club bar bore and every other selfish, greedy, myopic reactionary in the electorate. Labour's problem is that they have largely proceeded on the basis that they are not the Tories, to the extent that no-one expects them to have a coherent alternative to Sunak's naked opportunism - correctly, as they won't have. Paradoxically the best hope of holding the Tories fully to account may be the concerted anger and pressure of commerce and manufacturing who are already embarked on a course of carbon reduction. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Panic Press conference in 10 mins from Sunak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, eindhovendee said: Panic Press conference in 10 mins from Sunak. Last night will have been like a scene from Thick of It. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, eindhovendee said: Panic Press conference in 10 mins from Sunak. Just said the economy is now sorted basically and it's climate change to get sorted now wtf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Florentine_Pogen Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 54 minutes ago, eindhovendee said: Panic Press conference in 10 mins from Sunak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/20/one-of-tories-biggest-ever-donors-frank-hester-profited-from-135m-of-nhs-contracts "One of the Conservatives’ biggest ever donors has profited from £135m of contracts with the Department of Health and Social Care in under four years. Frank Hester, a healthcare tech entrepreneur whose company supplies computer systems to the NHS, gave Rishi Sunak’s party £5m this summer, the joint biggest donation to the Tories in decades. His company, the Phoenix Partnership (TPP), paid out more than £20m in dividends between 2019 and 2022, with Hester the only shareholder." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Florentine_Pogen said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/20/one-of-tories-biggest-ever-donors-frank-hester-profited-from-135m-of-nhs-contracts "One of the Conservatives’ biggest ever donors has profited from £135m of contracts with the Department of Health and Social Care in under four years. Frank Hester, a healthcare tech entrepreneur whose company supplies computer systems to the NHS, gave Rishi Sunak’s party £5m this summer, the joint biggest donation to the Tories in decades. His company, the Phoenix Partnership (TPP), paid out more than £20m in dividends between 2019 and 2022, with Hester the only shareholder." Nothing wrong in making a good buck 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, doulikefish said: Who else would you want standing up for this great union of ours? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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