Ric Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, dirty dingus said: She would get chewed up and spat out by the dinosaurs in the ERG. Can't imagine Mogg and co. having a lesbian remaining Scot in the UK hot seat. Think the wee sneaky banker is the most likely. I doubt Davidson would get chewed up by anyone to be honest. I dislike her politics but she's no shrinking violet. Think about it though, it totally makes sense, and we all know that other than the fucking idiot in charge now, almost every tory leadership has had a dark horse that runs close. Turn back the clock to Major's appointment, the parallels are there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: I wonder, while being the "obvious" candidate, he has not been tested, not a single bit. He inherited the post from Javid who quit because Johnson wanted his own advisors in the Treasury. However, all Sunak has done is "give away" money (it's borrowed money, it's not their money or our money, it's banking and "imaginary" money). Even his budget had to be scaled back. He has not faced tough questions and had an easy ride in the party being fast-tracked to the position he is in now. I wonder if he will run, no guarantee, and if he does you'll have a candidate that is entirely untried other than being dropped into one of the safest seats in the country yet still managed to lose ~12% of the previous majority. Admittedly he gained that back the next election, but the simple fact remains he's been handed his success not "earned it". If you want a battler, it's not Sunak, if you want someone to connect to the gammon, it's no Sunak, if you want to retain the (now) blue wall in the North, it's not Sunak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Ric said: I wonder, while being the "obvious" candidate, he has not been tested, not a single bit. He inherited the post from Javid who quit because Johnson wanted his own advisors in the Treasury. However, all Sunak has done is "give away" money (it's borrowed money, it's not their money or our money, it's banking and "imaginary" money). Even his budget had to be scaled back. He has not faced tough questions and had an easy ride in the party being fast-tracked to the position he is in now. I wonder if he will run, no guarantee, and if he does you'll have a candidate that is entirely untried other than being dropped into one of the safest seats in the country yet still managed to lose ~12% of the previous majority. Admittedly he gained that back the next election, but the simple fact remains he's been handed his success not "earned it". If you want a battler, it's not Sunak, if you want someone to connect to the gammon, it's no Sunak, if you want to retain the (now) blue wall in the North, it's not Sunak. He fought against the furlough payments and covid restrictions all the way through, including escorting a bunch of loony antivaxxers into Number 10 to see Boris. He's as right wing as you can get, if you think George Osbourne's austerity moves were tough you ain't seen nothing yet. The Spectator loves him, he's godfather to James Forsyth's children. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ric said: I wonder, while being the "obvious" candidate, he has not been tested, not a single bit. He inherited the post from Javid who quit because Johnson wanted his own advisors in the Treasury. However, all Sunak has done is "give away" money (it's borrowed money, it's not their money or our money, it's banking and "imaginary" money). Even his budget had to be scaled back. He has not faced tough questions and had an easy ride in the party being fast-tracked to the position he is in now. I wonder if he will run, no guarantee, and if he does you'll have a candidate that is entirely untried other than being dropped into one of the safest seats in the country yet still managed to lose ~12% of the previous majority. Admittedly he gained that back the next election, but the simple fact remains he's been handed his success not "earned it". If you want a battler, it's not Sunak, if you want someone to connect to the gammon, it's no Sunak, if you want to retain the (now) blue wall in the North, it's not Sunak. who'll run? Sunak? Hunt? Truss? Gove? https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader My dark horse would be Steve Barcley at 66/1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resk Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 29 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Also why do we have to wait for the enquiry to complete before it can be established whether BoJo was there or not. We don't. It's just basically filibustering by the Tories. The whole "ah but it would be wrong for me to comment due to the ongoing investigation" is utter shite but it could go on forever, or at least until people forget about it. Added to that the people doing the inquiries are controlled by the PM anyway, and the whole thing just seems like they can do anything they want. (CON +5) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: who'll run? Sunak? Hunt? Truss? Gove? https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader My dark horse would be Steve Barcley at 66/1 Truss has ambition in inverse ratio to her ability. But what about Steve Baker, he's involved in every other feckin' thing ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: My dark horse would be Steve Barcley at 66/1 I can see why, but Barcley has more power behind the scenes, I think he'd prefer it that way. Edit: I wrote the above because I got Barcley and Baker mixed up, it's only when @O'Kelly Isley III posted his name above I realised this. As for Barcley himself, yeah, I mean on the surface a seemingly "good" candidate. To say Gove is 'a bit marmite' would be the understatement of the year. Even amongst his own back benchers. Truss is liked but she's not shown herself to be impervious to scandal and mismanagement, she could also be seen as too close to Johnson. Edited January 11, 2022 by Ric 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 38 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: who'll run? Sunak? Hunt? Truss? Gove? https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader My dark horse would be Steve Barcley at 66/1 Whoever is leaking this stuff = Gove 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Truss has ambition in inverse ratio to her ability. But what about Steve Baker, he's involved in every other feckin' thing ? Perfect example of the Dunning–Kruger effect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: who'll run? Sunak? Hunt? Truss? Gove? https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader My dark horse would be Steve Barcley at 66/1 I'm surprised Zahawi and Patel are such long odds TBH. Hard to look much past Sunak, Truss and Gove being those that the tories would go for. Hunt is too far a departure for the Johnson esque packed tory party ideology at the moment. Its not much of a list though. All have baggage. My outside punt is Patel as after Truss, she is the most Thatcher comparable and the love a bit of that mould. Edited January 11, 2022 by Theyellowbox 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 f**k me, can you imagine Patel as the Prime Minister, and to do so without a general election? OOooft. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Laura seemingly has known about this since it happened https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1480625713845841921?t=vJ6wljEWgZLacrZqHduPvQ&s=19 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Be interesting to know the full guest list before we discuss successors, it might rule a few out ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Ric said: I doubt Davidson would get chewed up by anyone to be honest. I dislike her politics but she's no shrinking violet. Are we talking about the same Ruth Davidson that would disappear for weeks on end when on the receiving end of bad press so she wouldn't have to respond? The same one that was shown up regularly at FMQ's in a public forum? The Tory c***s in the 1922 wouldn't need to chew, they'd swallow her whole. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 hours ago, dirty dingus said: She would get chewed up and spat out by the dinosaurs in the ERG. Can't imagine Mogg and co. having a lesbian remaining Scot in the UK hot seat. Think the wee sneaky banker is the most likely. When it comes down to it, are Tory party members going to vote for him? The best reform the UK could probably have is getting rid of the requirement for the Tory leader and therefore PM, to be chosen by Tory party members. I suspect we wouldn't have Johnson in power if MPs chose their leader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Men seen collecting grey suits from Westminster dry cleaners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 Nick Watt could save a lot of time on Newsnight if he would just name the people he's talking to. A whole puff piece on how he spoke to very senior this and senior that. Just spit the names out and let us judge whether there is weight behind it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Liking how somebody is obviously holding back showing the alleged party videos until PMQs tomorrow, leaving Boris sweating over whether he makes an appearance in them or not. Gloriously torturous for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said: Liking how somebody is obviously holding back showing the alleged party videos until PMQs tomorrow, leaving Boris sweating over whether he makes an appearance in them or not. Gloriously torturous for him. There might not be many videos, if this headline is to be believed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 "Probe". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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