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8 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

At which point he'd be 78.

Does prison time go towards your 35 years NI contributions for a state pension when you get out?

It won’t as he won’t be signing on to get the government to pay for them ,he could have a business outside still trading or pay voluntarily contributions ,pointless but as he won’t get a pension until he is out but.

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20 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

At which point he'd be 78.

Does prison time go towards your 35 years NI contributions for a state pension when you get out?

According to all the papers today "gangsters" have put a £250k bounty on his head to stop him grassing about other stuff that could get him easier conditions, so I doubt a pension is a worry for him.

 

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I'm guessing this sentence is as a warning to wannabe gangsters that if they go around spraying bullets to try to kill an adult, and accidentally murder a child, they'll be sentenced as a child killing nonce.

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27 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:

Surprised they got the murder charge, surprised they even went for that in the first place given its highly doubtful he stormed the house with the intent of murdering the wee lassie

It will be appealed, reduced and the Tories will blame remoaners. 

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7 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Inverness's Mr Big, AKA Titanium Otter, has finally been put to rights.

https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/500k-drugs-scheme-unravelled-as-police-crack-encrypted-call-308855/

Hit drugs in stash sites. I don't suppose any of these may still be out there, be good to know. For research purposes.

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13 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I'm guessing this sentence is as a warning to wannabe gangsters that if they go around spraying bullets to try to kill an adult, and accidentally murder a child, they'll be sentenced as a child killing nonce.

Indeed, it's harsher because it was front page news.

Mick Phillpot got only 15 years (minimum) for causing the death of his six children by setting fire to the house they were in for an insurance scam.

Hard to feel sorry for Cashmere, who is clearly a terrible man almost certainly involved in more murders, but it's still an objectively harsh sentence for an accidental killing (plus intentional attempted killing).

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13 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

Hard to feel sorry for Cashmere, who is clearly a terrible man almost certainly involved in more murders, but it's still an objectively harsh sentence for an accidental killing (plus intentional attempted killing).

A bit more than that though - Murder, Attempted Murder, Wounding and 2 firearms offences.  

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54 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

Indeed, it's harsher because it was front page news.

Mick Phillpot got only 15 years (minimum) for causing the death of his six children by setting fire to the house they were in for an insurance scam.

Hard to feel sorry for Cashmere, who is clearly a terrible man almost certainly involved in more murders, but it's still an objectively harsh sentence for an accidental killing (plus intentional attempted killing).

Think accident would be accidently discharging a firearm at a gun range or similar.

Running down a street with two guns, firing at people, then chasing someone you have already shot, and having to use the second gun as the first has stopped working and continuing to fire into house without though or care for who may be in the fireline isn't an accident, and in no way should be thought of as such. He showed no regard for anyone in his way and deserves to be hated and removed from society.

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14 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Why the f**k would anyone open their front door, after hearing gunshots in the street?

I dare say the poor lassie's mum has asked herself - tortured herself - with this ever since. 

We don't know what she heard, or what else might have motivated this, but we really need to be clear that opening her own front door in no way makes the mum responsible, even partly. This scumbag pointed a firearm and pulled the trigger. He is to blame, only.

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15 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I'm guessing this sentence is as a warning to wannabe gangsters that if they go around spraying bullets to try to kill an adult, and accidentally murder a child, they'll be sentenced as a child killing nonce.

I wonder if this sentence is of a similar level to that handed out when young black kids are shot dead as collateral damage in London by drug dealers?

Seems to me that if you are white (see Sarah Everard) there will be a bigger media outcry, and larger sentences for crimes.

Maybe I am wrong, but there does seem to be a wee bit of a pattern

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3 hours ago, MONKMAN said:

Why the f**k would anyone open their front door, after hearing gunshots in the street?

If it happened on my street all the nosey auld b*****ds would be out discussing it as he run down the street firing.

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Verdict due in the murder trial of Gerry Hutch this morning.  The trial concerns the REgency Hotel attack, where several gunmen dressed in Irish Garda uniforms, and others, attacked members of the Kinahan organised crime family at the weigh in for a boxing event in 2016.  One man was killed in the attack, David Byrne, an associate of the Kinahans.  Daniel Kinahan escaped.

Hutch is a very well known organised crime figure in Ireland and is widely believed to be responsible for several large armed robberies in the 1990s as well as being involved, with his associates and family, in drug trafficking.  While the Hutch's and Kinahan's had worked together for a time, they fell out and the murder of Hutch's nephew lead to the planning of the Regency attack.  Hutch, who is 60, is alleged to have been one of the masked gunmen and to have shot Byrne dead.  He is also linked, via witness testimony and other evidence to the procurement of the AK47s used in the attack, from dissident Repubican groups in Northern Ireland.

He's been tried at the Special Criminal Court, where serious organised crime cases in the Republic of Ireland are held.  There is no jury, a panel of three judges decide.

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