VAR in Scottish Football

[10menwent2mow]

Today proves its working exactly as it should 

[DiegoDiego]

9 minutes ago, 10menwent2mow said:

Today proves it's working exactly as they want it to.

FTFY

[10menwent2mow]

FollowFollow is some laugh. Guess what. Aberdeen only try against Rangers. If we tried this hard against every other team we'd win the league. 

[craigkillie]

On 25/11/2023 at 12:36, SJFCtheTeamForMe said:

That's also in part why the slow mo or freeze frames shouldn't be a thing. 

If it's a borderline decision already but the referee live thought no using a single freeze frame or slow mo as evidence is using the subjective information in a manner to influence the referee into "VAR officials are definitely correct" but theres not the same weight given to subjective information that suggests otherwise. For example how close the man is or how fast the ball was moving. 

Single still frame "it his his hand away from his body in an unnatural position". 

Pen to Rangers. 

The freezeframes are only allowed to be used to determine the point of contact, they cannot be used to make decisions beyond that.

[VincentGuerin]

Martyn Ziegler of The Times reporting that FIFA are looking in to expanding the scope of VAR to include second bookings, free-kicks, and corners.

To the surprise of nobody with a functioning brain.

VAR was always going to get bigger. Mind we were told it wouldn't be used after a game had re-started? Well, it is now. And if FIFA are "looking at" expanding its use, I think we can all take it as read that they will expand its use.

It's a load of absolute shite.

[PTR]

24 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:

Martyn Ziegler of The Times reporting that FIFA are looking in to expanding the scope of VAR to include second bookings, free-kicks, and corners.

To the surprise of nobody with a functioning brain.

VAR was always going to get bigger. Mind we were told it wouldn't be used after a game had re-started? Well, it is now. And if FIFA are "looking at" expanding its use, I think we can all take it as read that they will expand its use.

It's a load of absolute shite.

There should be more of an outrage to this from supporters than there was towards the Super League. Clubs and the SFA appear to be actively avoiding engaging with supporters about VAR. Everyone should be contacting their clubs raising their concerns.

At least some effort needs to be put in before the game is destroyed beyond recognition. 

[VincentGuerin]

24 minutes ago, PTR said:

There should be more of an outrage to this from supporters than there was towards the Super League. Clubs and the SFA appear to be actively avoiding engaging with supporters about VAR. Everyone should be contacting their clubs raising their concerns.

At least some effort needs to be put in before the game is destroyed beyond recognition. 

Honestly, mate, Hearts don't respond to my emails about anything, so my outrage goes nowhere. I've sent them 2/3 emails about VAR over the last year or so. f**k all response. It's shocking ,really. Sent them another about the cup final allocation thing with Rangers and Aberdeen. No response.

Season ticket holder for about thirty years, FoH subscriber since the start, fucking shareholder, and the c***s don't reply to emails. Great stuff.

I asked them why my views as a paying season ticket holder were never sought. No response. I asked them if there was any plan to engage with the support or even find out our views. No response.

Edited November 27, 2023 by VincentGuerin

[well again]

22 minutes ago, PTR said:

There should be more of an outrage to this from supporters than there was towards the Super League. Clubs and the SFA appear to be actively avoiding engaging with supporters about VAR. Everyone should be contacting their clubs raising their concerns.

At least some effort needs to be put in before the game is destroyed beyond recognition. 

The sfa will do sfa until Celtic tell them.

[Dons_1988]

6 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:

Honestly, mate, Hearts don't respond to my emails about anything, so my outrage goes nowhere. I've sent them 2/3 emails about VAR over the last year or so. f**k all response. It's shocking ,really.

I challenged Aberdeen on it at the time it was voted on, asking why as a season ticket holder I wasn’t being consulted on a fundamental change to the match going experience. 

‘it will be light touch and no other clubs consulted either’. An absolutely risible response which I’ve never really let go of tbh. 

Every ounce of logic in me feels that I’m being taken for a mug and I should walk away from this sport. It’s as clear as day. 

[VincentGuerin]

2 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

I challenged Aberdeen on it at the time it was voted on, asking why as a season ticket holder I wasn’t being consulted on a fundamental change to the match going experience. 

‘it will be light touch and no other clubs consulted either’. An absolutely risible response which I’ve never really let go of tbh. 

Every ounce of logic in me feels that I’m being taken for a mug and I should walk away from this sport. It’s as clear as day. 

So, that's all right then.

Aye, we went over this a lot at the time VAR was introduced, but I just get left cold by the sport in a lot of ways now. I go to see my mates, but the direction the game is going in isn't one I have any time for. Be it the lack of competitiveness, the commercialisation, VAR, the fucking price.

It's going in bad directions just now.

Edited November 27, 2023 by VincentGuerin

[Miguel Sanchez]

Corners  

[craigkillie]

This is a proposal by a working group and will most likely get turfed out this time around before it gets anywhere near IFAB. However, it is something to be vigilant of in the future, because any time some major decision like a corner, free-kick or even a fucking throw-in happens in a big game, someone will be starting to campaign for it.

[Bairnardo]

8 hours ago, craigkillie said:

This is a proposal by a working group and will most likely get turfed out this time around before it gets anywhere near IFAB. However, it is something to be vigilant of in the future, because any time some major decision like a corner, free-kick or even a fucking throw-in happens in a big game, someone will be starting to campaign for it.

I don't think theres any doubt. I agree with Guerin on the direction of travel. The thin end of the wedge is already in. I just don't fully understand the motivations of anyone driving for more, but I don't doubt they exist in positions of influence.

[Zapp Brannigan]

I think it could be fixable if there is an appeals system in place. Say 1 appeal allowed per half for each team. If you are successful then you get to keep it. You would also have to explicitly say what you're appealing for. Not just - "I don't like it that the opposition scored, I'm going to appeal."

For example if Rangers at the weekend said we think there was a foul on Goldson in the box then that's what gets reviewed, anything else is left to the on field decision. There can't be any other infractions assessed like in the Newcastle game where they checked 3 different things which was a nonsense.

It's becoming more VR than VAR as games are being dictated by the cameras than the actual referees now so what's the point in having them on the field at all 

[The Master]

I don’t think it’ll come in for corners and free kicks as a matter of course, but I can see these proposals evolving into “go back further and check what led to a goal”. 

So if a goal is scored from a corner, go back and check if it was a corner, did it originally come from an offside etc. 

Likewise, if a goal is scored from a free kick.

It would just erode spontaneity even more. 

[Dons_1988]

1 hour ago, Bairnardo said:

I don't think theres any doubt. I agree with Guerin on the direction of travel. The thin end of the wedge is already in. I just don't fully understand the motivations of anyone driving for more, but I don't doubt they exist in positions of influence.

The motivation is that it’s becoming increasingly clear how flawed VAR is and I think it’s now coming through from prominent journalists and pundits just how ineffective this system is. 

Unfortunately, as with just about any modern industry driven by profitability and growth, the answer will be more technology, more influence of that technology and reduce as much human error/input as feasibly possible.  It may seem obvious to you and I that this is a clearly bonkers response, but this is exactly how the thin end of the wedge gets more embedded. 

[houston_bud]

It'll just make games more and more unwatchable. I'd argue the reason that football is the most popular sport in the world is because of it's simplicity. It doesn't (or at least didn't) have loads of rules that are difficult to understand, anyone anywhere with a ball can play a game that resembles how the professionals play - more than probably any other sport.

Adding layers and layers of complexity is not improving the game. Quite the opposite.

[Dunfermline Don]

VAR is killing football as a live spectacle for the match going fans. I much prefer attending games where it isn’t used now and a goal can be celebrated after a quick glance to see if the linesman has his flag up.

I feel it is been driven by the fact it increases the drama in live games on TV and gives the pundits something else to dissect after a game.

Personally it sums up to myself everything that is wrong with modern football. 

[VincentGuerin]

The expansion of VAR is inevitable and always was.

Football is a low-scoring sport and any decision can be a game changer. This is just the natural progression of having VAR.

[Crùbag]

I'm fine with VAR. We all use technology to review stuff. It's a no-brainer that it should be used in football.

The idea that if we remove cameras and monitors that our officials will suddenly become competent and impartial is ludicrous. Incompetence and bias is at the root of the game's problems. VAR is here to stay. We need more transparency on the decisions and officials that have no bias towards any of the teams in a given game.