Jump to content

Scotland v Ukraine


Lex

Recommended Posts

Is there a chance the game is delayed, in the hope things have settled at least to the degree that a game of football doesn’t seem like a silly idea?

Isn’t ideal for anyone involved but then telling Ukraine they’re out of the World Cup because they got invaded probably comes under ‘sub-optimal’ as well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, Paco said:

Is there a chance the game is delayed, in the hope things have settled at least to the degree that a game of football doesn’t seem like a silly idea?

Isn’t ideal for anyone involved but then telling Ukraine they’re out of the World Cup because they got invaded probably comes under ‘sub-optimal’ as well.

Don't think a delay is really possible.  Not like it's one game in complete isolation - you'd then have to reschedule Wales/Austria.  There's other aspects that could lead to a lot of pissing and moaning if you do.  All paling in comparison to, you know, an actual War, but still.

You're right about the last part though.  I don't think there's necessarily a good option to take, and it's the biggest and probably most difficult decision UEFA will have had to make.  What do you do about Russia?  Do you just say Ukraine can't play?  Do you tell them it's up to them, and if they can't field a team tough titties?  Do we get the situation where a full house at Hampden is sitting there watching a team of absolute jobbers against us making a mockery of the situation?

Personally, I think the most likely is UEFA telling them the game is going ahead as planned, unless Ukraine tell them otherwise.  Then ultimately, I think the game happens, but it ends up being a bit of a farce.  I think the more interesting part - discounting that we're actually playing Ukraine - is what happens with Russia.  They're already competing despite a Worldwide doping ban after all.  Much more minor than actually invading another country, but I just can't realistically see them chucking them.  Would be fully supportive of it though.

In terms of precedent, how close are we to the situation that saw Denmark enter and eventually win Euro 92?  From memory - and I could be well wrong - Yugoslavia were banned due to the wars breaking out in the Balkans. Could we see Russia get the same?  Could they end up playing, winning, qualifying, and then get chucked out if all this gets worse?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't think the game can be delayed in any way, it's not practically possible. I would be extremely surprised if UEFA threw Ukraine out, so any decision not to play would come from them rather than them being told they were out.

Switching the first two Nations League fixtures in June for Scotland/Ukraine/Austria/Wales to March, and allocating those June dates to the play-offs is possible. Would require a lot of agreement across a number of countries, but it’s doable at least on paper.

It’s obviously exceptionally unlikely Ukraine will be denied the chance to play if they want to play of course. But an extension could give them time to be more competitive - they’ll still have a reasonable squad if they can’t access their domestic players (or, assuming they can leave the country, they’re not fit) but clearly it’s a big blow in sporting terms, losing access to a large chunk of their squad. They’d presumably appreciate the chance to regain that. And even if they’re able to pull together a squad for March, they may simply not want to because they have bigger things to worry about - if so, a delay should be investigated at the very least.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Euro 92 situation was in response to sanctions being applied to the state of Yugoslavia by the UN for the actions of the Yugoslavian army in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

In the absence of the UN applying sanctions to Ukraine or the crime of being invaded we can rule that scenario out.

Russia are a permanent member of the UN security Council so Ukraine getting banned is still more likely than the UN putting sanctions on Russia.

The worst case scenario for Russia is playing under a neutral flag.

Edited by invergowrie arab
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, Paco said:


Switching the first two Nations League fixtures in June for Scotland/Ukraine/Austria/Wales to March, and allocating those June dates to the play-offs is possible. Would require a lot of agreement across a number of countries, but it’s doable at least on paper.


Scotland play Ukraine in the first two Nations League fixtures.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

57 minutes ago, forameus said:

In terms of precedent, how close are we to the situation that saw Denmark enter and eventually win Euro 92?  From memory - and I could be well wrong - Yugoslavia were banned due to the wars breaking out in the Balkans. Could we see Russia get the same?  Could they end up playing, winning, qualifying, and then get chucked out if all this gets worse?

Austria qualified for WC 1938 - eliminating Latvia - but were 'incorporated' into Germany come tournament starting.

FIFA offered England their place (who declined).

Sweden then got R1 bye.

Germany's squad of 22 included 9x Austrians.

Edited by HibeeJibee
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Scotland play Ukraine in the first two Nations League fixtures.

Yeah I’m well aware. I’m sure they’d appreciate the chance to either send a ‘weaker’ squad or simply forfeit a Nations League group match than a World Cup play-off.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

The Euro 92 situation was in response to sanctions being applied to the state of Yugoslavia by the UN for the actions of the Yugoslavian army in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

In the absence of the UN applying sanctions to Ukraine or the crime of being invaded we can rule that scenario out.

Russia are a permanent member of the UN security Council so Ukraine getting banned is still more likely than the UN putting sanctions on Russia.

The worst case scenario for Russia is playing under a neutral flag.

I believe Russia will be under a neutral flag in the WC if they qualify regardless of this situation. FIFA events are covered by their CAS ban (UEFA events are not, hence them being allowed in the euros and the World Cup qualifying under their own flag) 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The other three members of their playoff section (Sweden, Poland and Czech Republic) release a join statement saying they will not travel to Russia.

 

Poland are due to travel to Moscow on 24th March, and if the hosts win that then the winner of Sweden v Czech Republic is scheduled to be away to Russia four days later 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Donathan said:

I believe Russia will be under a neutral flag in the WC if they qualify regardless of this situation. FIFA events are covered by their CAS ban (UEFA events are not, hence them being allowed in the euros and the World Cup qualifying under their own flag) 

The neutral flag stuff is absolute bollocks 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ukraine President signs a martial order banning all males between 18 and 60 from leaving the country.

 

Really feels like the most likely scenario is that we play against a selection of Ukrainian players who are not domestically based. Gives me the fear of that game in Prague where the whole Czech team had covid and we only very narrowly defeated their B team. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Virtual Insanity said:

BBC were saying cramp for Tierney so hopefully fine. 

Have the fear that Ukraine are never going to have been so motivated for a game in their lives. 

He went off in stoppage time at the end so hopefully just cramp. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...