Miguel Sanchez Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Seven SNP MSPs vote against the bill, the biggest rebellion in 15 years against an SNP whip. The MSPs who voted against are Stephanie Callaghan Fergus Ewing Kenny Gibson Ruth Maguire John Mason Ash Regan Michelle Thomson Abstentions Annabelle Ewing Jim Fairlie If you had asked me in 2007 what would prompt the biggest backbench rebellion in a decade and a half in the Scottish Parliament I would not have said “changes to gender recognition certificates”. What would you have said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Transphobes are given every right of reply. If you check the Daily Mail - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/transgender-issues/index.html - there's been 8 'trans' stories over the last 2 days. For 0.5% of the population. One of those articles is on Helen Joyce, who's also spoken at For Women Scotland rallies. Helen Joyce has also made videos where she says " every one of those people is basically, you know, a huge problem to a sane world” (from https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/06/03/helen-joyce-transgender-lgbtq/) "and that means reducing or keeping down the number of people who transition" Transphobia very much has the bulk of the debate just now. Have Aiden Comerford or Katy Montgomerie ever been on the BBC? But please, do bore all the way off. I couldn't give a flying f**k. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Quote An SNP minister has resigned over Scottish government plans to make it easier for someone to change their legally-recognised gender. Ash Regan quit as community safety minister, saying her conscience would not allow her to support the plans. Her resignation came hours ahead of the gender recognition reform bill being passed in principle at Holyrood. Seven SNP MSPs voted against and two abstained in the biggest rebellion since the party came to power. It was also the first time an SNP minister had quit over government policy since 2007 but, despite the dissent, the stage 1 vote at Holyrood saw it comfortably passed by 88 to 33 with four abstentions. The bill aims to speed up the time it takes to obtain a gender recognition certificate (GRC) and drops the requirement for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria. It also lowers the age for obtaining a GRC from 18 to 16. Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-63416857 I never thought i'd live long enough to see an SNP politician act in good conscience. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Just now, Miguel Sanchez said: What would you have said? Well it was 2007 so probably something like ”nu rave, Kanye, Tony Blair, iPods, Iraq war, I can haz cheeseburger, what about Obama” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Lol. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Tibbs Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 19 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Transphobes are given every right of reply. Transphobia is yet another word that has lost all meaning due to misuse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: I couldn't give a flying f**k. Thank you. About someone calling for eugenics on a minority? Fits. You'd change your tune if it was discrimination against Bigfoot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Terry_Tibbs said: Transphobia is yet another word that has lost all meaning due to misuse. So platforming folks who come out with 'these people are a problem in any sane society and there needs to be less of them' isn't transphobic? Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: About someone calling for eugenics on a minority? Fits. You'd change your tune if it was discrimination against Bigfoot. Go and do what you like and live your life the way you want. (unless you're harming other people) Sick of the screaming and shouting about how everything is so unfair, I have got rights etc Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Go and do what you like and live your life the way you want. (unless you're harming other people) Sick of the screaming and shouting about how everything is so unfair, I have got rights etc Thank you. That's the point; the folks that are advocating trying to harm the other people have the platform just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, carpetmonster said: That's the point; the folks that are advocating trying to harm the other people have the platform just now. Don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Just now, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: Don't think so. You're wrong then. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: You're wrong then. Sorry. That's your opinion, excellent, we disagree. Kind of sums up my original post. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Mods, please. There’s been a breach in The Politics Forum fence. And the moat. And the razor wire… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: That's your opinion, excellent, we disagree. Kind of sums up my original post. Thank you. I take it then, if the Daily Mail was dedicating lavish amounts of coverage to someone who says 'Scottish people are a problem in any sane society and we need to make sure there's less of them', then you'd be alright with that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 40 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/15/tory-mp-steve-baker-shares-paper-denying-climate-crisis He has every right to take that position. Just as everyone with a different view has. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: He has every right to take that position. Just as everyone with a different view has. Of course. And everyone else has a right to think that if karma gets him by way of a polar bear eating his face as they have to move their habitat south then it'll be no bad thing at all. Edited October 27, 2022 by carpetmonster -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 44 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/15/tory-mp-steve-baker-shares-paper-denying-climate-crisis Clown Job said denying climate, not denying climate change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, bennett said: Clown Job said denying climate, not denying climate change. ah oops, it was a crap joke and I missed it, sorry chief. Will amend prior post accordingly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: I take it then, if the Daily Mail was dedicating lavish amounts of coverage to someone who says 'Scottish people are a problem in any sane society and we need to make sure there's less of them', then you'd be alright with that? Yep, I'd have a laugh and shake my head at the stupidity of it, certainly wouldn't go screeching and screaming, and demanding they shut up. Thank you. -5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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