The Gender Debate

[Granny Danger]

It's utterly astounding that so much discussion can be devoted to how people want to self identify.  It’s not surprising that those on the wrong side of the debate are those arseholes* who are on the wrong side of every other debate.

* I would have said c**t instead of arsehole, but apparently that is no longer allowed.

[carpetmonster]

1 minute ago, Leith Green said:

 

Clearly people who want this treatment - and especially so on the NHS - will have spoken at length with their GP, and there is no way on earth that any GP will simply refer them on a whim.

And then a whole cadre of specialists. And been on HRT for a period of years prior to surgery. It’s easy enough to find the whole process on the NHS website, but that doesn’t sell newspapers or stir the loins of simpletons. 
 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

[Leith Green]

14 minutes ago, carpetmonster said:

And then a whole cadre of specialists. And been on HRT for a period of years prior to surgery. It’s easy enough to find the whole process on the NHS website, but that doesn’t sell newspapers or stir the loins of simpletons. 
 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

I think the problem - for the hard of thinking - is that in the current system, in order to identify as another gender people must have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

The law as it stands means that you must "live as a woman" for at least 2 years but retain, say, a passport and documents calling them a man (for example).

Imagine the practical difficulties, embarassment and mental health issues that must throw up??

Under the proposals the SG is tabling, people can shortcut a lot of that, identify as their chosen gender and then - if they so choose - go down the still lengthy and difficult reassignment journey.

It doesnt seem that difficult to understand, I cant fathom why people get themselves in such a fucking state about it.

 

Edited October 29, 2022 by Leith Green

[Sergeant Wilson]

11 minutes ago, carpetmonster said:

And then a whole cadre of specialists.  

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

If COVID taught us one thing it's that specialists are all shite.

[carpetmonster]

1 minute ago, Leith Green said:

I think the problem - for the hard of thinking - is that in the current system, in order to identify as another gender people must have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

The law as it stands means that you must "live as a woman" for at least 2 years but retain, say, a passport and documents calling them a man (for example).

1 minute ago, Leith Green said:

Imagine the practical difficulties, embarassment and mental health issues that must throw up??

Under the proposals the SG is tabling, people can shortcut a lot of that, identify as their chosen gender and then - if they so choose - go down the still lengthy and difficult reassignment journey.

It doesnt seem that difficult to understand, I cant fathom why people get themselves in such a fucking state about it.

 

Yup, and the waiting lists to be seen to start being able to talk about getting a diagnosis aren't much fun - 18 months in Grampian to 6 years in Exeter - https://genderkit.org.uk/resources/wait-times/

 

[DA Baracus]

It's almost like some people are deliberately misrepresenting things here and trawling online for nonsense articles that support their purposely false narratives, whilst claiming you can't have a 'reasonable' and/or 'sensible' discussion about it even though they clearly want no such thing.

[Clown Job]

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[101]

9 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

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I must have missed were this legislation changed anything to do with "safe spaces"

[19QOS19]

I haven't looked too deep into the full debate but is the "safe spaces" argument in regards to 'men' changing their sex to 'woman' and going into the female toilets? Is this what the "safe spaces" argument is?

[carpetmonster]

1 minute ago, 19QOS19 said:

I haven't looked too deep into the full debate but is the "safe spaces" argument in regards to 'men' changing their sex to 'woman' and going into the female toilets? Is this what the "safe spaces" argument is?

Yes. The argument now is that predatory men will use the new law to change their gender and go into women’s facilities and can’t be legally challenged. Because everyone takes their birth certificate out to go for a pish, and having one that says you’re a woman on it diverts the death ray that would come out of the ‘Ladies’ sign and zap us if me or you tried to go in. 

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, 19QOS19 said:

I haven't looked too deep into the full debate but is the "safe spaces" argument in regards to 'men' changing their sex to 'woman' and going into the female toilets? Is this what the "safe spaces" argument is?

That seems to be the concern, as soon as they get their "'I'm a lady (official)" lanyard they'll be stomping into the nearest women's toilet to gaze at them washing their hands and doing their lippy.

[101]

6 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

I haven't looked too deep into the full debate but is the "safe spaces" argument in regards to 'men' changing their sex to 'woman' and going into the female toilets? Is this what the "safe spaces" argument is?

I think this is the more mad, penis inspecting brigade's argument. I have seen other people raise concerns over women's refuge and rape crisis centers, I would hope these places have entirely private places for victims to receive help in which case they would be protected from exploration by anyone regardless of gender.

[19QOS19]

Yes. The argument now is that predatory men will use the new law to change their gender and go into women’s facilities and can’t be legally challenged. Because everyone takes their birth certificate out to go for a pish, and having one that says you’re a woman on it diverts the death ray that would come out of the ‘Ladies’ sign and zap us if me or you tried to go in. 

That seems to be the concern, as soon as they get their "'I'm a lady (official)" lanyard they'll be stomping into the nearest women's toilet to gaze at them washing their hands and doing their lippy.

I think this is the more mad, penis inspecting brigade's argument. I have seen other people raise concerns over women's refuge and rape crisis centers, I would hope these places have entirely private places for victims to receive help in which case they would be protected from exploration by anyone regardless of gender.

I must say that sounds completely batshit crazy to me. Though no surprise this is the level of argument. Having never been a sexual predator I'm no expert but surely if you're that way inclined a "Female" sign isn't going to be much of a deterrent ffs? I can't see sexual offences going up purely down to "He was pretending to be a woman so he could stand in the toilet preying on females". Clutching at straws IMO.

Going by that argument I assume the same people think I'm a potential offender when I take my daughter into the ladies for the toilet.

[BFTD]

12 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:

I must say that sounds completely batshit crazy to me. Though no surprise this is the level of argument. Having never been a sexual predator I'm no expert but surely if you're that way inclined a "Female" sign isn't going to be much of a deterrent ffs? I can't see sexual offences going up purely down to "He was pretending to be a woman so he could stand in the toilet preying on females". Clutching at straws IMO.

Going by that argument I assume the same people think I'm a potential offender when I take my daughter into the ladies for the toilet.

Using phrases like "having never been a sexual predator I'm no expert" doesn't throw people off the scent, believe me  

[carpetmonster]

5 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Using phrases like "having never been a sexual predator I'm no expert" doesn't throw people off the scent, believe me  

I saw your Halloween costume last year, I’m not having it 

 

[19QOS19]

I saw your Halloween costume last year, I’m not having it 
 

Wid.

[carpetmonster]

1 minute ago, 19QOS19 said:

3 minutes ago, carpetmonster said:

I saw your Halloween costume last year, I’m not having it 
 

Wid.

Do I need to get platinum subs to change my name to Cillamonster? 

[DA Baracus]

2 hours ago, 101 said:

I think this is the more mad, penis inspecting brigade's argument. I have seen other people raise concerns over women's refuge and rape crisis centers, I would hope these places have entirely private places for victims to receive help in which case they would be protected from exploration by anyone regardless of gender.

There are scores of men who are literally lined up to get reassigned gender just so they can infiltrate women's refuges and rape crisis centres. This is definitely a 100% provable fact and the right wing folk who tell us this are definitely correct and are definitely doing so in good faith.

2 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:

I must say that sounds completely batshit crazy to me. Though no surprise this is the level of argument. Having never been a sexual predator I'm no expert but surely if you're that way inclined a "Female" sign isn't going to be much of a deterrent ffs? I can't see sexual offences going up purely down to "He was pretending to be a woman so he could stand in the toilet preying on females". Clutching at straws IMO.

Going by that argument I assume the same people think I'm a potential offender when I take my daughter into the ladies for the toilet.

Yes, sexual offenders are 'sign vampires' in that, just like a cross, signs on toilet doors prevent them from crossing the threshold.

Said vampires can simply change gender now (at the snap of fingers; it's that quick) in order to overcome this massive obstacle to rape. There is absolutely a huge queue of these rapey vampires desperate to reassign their gender for the sole reason of rape, and they only aren't out massively raping now because of signs on doors.

Edited October 30, 2022 by DA Baracus

[Bert Raccoon]

10 hours ago, carpetmonster said:

I saw your Halloween costume last year, I’m not having it 

 

[Bairnardo]

I must say that sounds completely batshit crazy to me. Though no surprise this is the level of argument. Having never been a sexual predator I'm no expert but surely if you're that way inclined a "Female" sign isn't going to be much of a deterrent ffs? I can't see sexual offences going up purely down to "He was pretending to be a woman so he could stand in the toilet preying on females". Clutching at straws IMO.

Going by that argument I assume the same people think I'm a potential offender when I take my daughter into the ladies for the toilet.

Had never put a huge amount of thought into it, or considered asking others what they do, but I had always (dont need to go with them anymore) took my lassies into the gents to avoid the potentially awkward scenario of being a man in the ladies.