Leith Green Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, alan862 said: WOuld you be as vocal a supporter of this if it wasn't SNP pushing this? IF this was labour for example who came up with this would you be as supportive? All 4 main parties stated in 2016 that they were supportive of this. Only one of them subsequently jumped the fence by order of their bosses who are in thrall to some Tufton Street devised anti woke culture war bullshit designed to reinforce their base with red faced p***ks in Surrey golf clubs. ITS NOT A FUCKING SNP "THING"........................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, alan862 said: well we did need to make a bit easier but I don't agree with the 3 months thing and it being ok at 16. Why not 3 months? 16, considering you can have a child and join the army and leave school all of which are big changes to your life or do you think all of those should be 18 or 21? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Wasting a large amount of parliamentary time and an enormous amount of political capital on a marginal wedge issue was not the right thing to do. Politically, it has been a disaster - compounded by the SG's reverse ferret as soon as the inevitable cases where assumption of self-ID proved problematic. They didn't even have the courage of their right thing to do conviction, and have spent the past month arbitrarily gendering both sexual offences (a male issue) and individual offenders based on an arbitrary wrong 'un scale at Bute House. You can fairly argue that the previous system was too onerous for those who want to transition and that reforms should take place. But the specific reforms put forward were highly flawed in a society that does in fact depend on objective criteria - the conflict between those two principles cannot be swept under the carpet. A shite reform is not better than no reform at all - it should have been punted into the long grass. Meanwhile, the absolute nick of the country as a whole should have been the clear priority of every SG minister: not the GRA and not fucking mandatory recycling deposits either. Both have made the SG look hopelessly out of touch with the most important issues facing the country - it's not the QMU debating chamber. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan862 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: At 16 you can join the army or get married. Both xan end disastrously . . . Cant drink alcohol. Can't legally buy an 18 computer game lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan862 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, Leith Green said: All 4 main parties stated in 2016 that they were supportive of this. Only one of them subsequently jumped the fence by order of their bosses who are in thrall to some Tufton Street devised anti woke culture war bullshit designed to reinforce their base with red faced p***ks in Surrey golf clubs. ITS NOT A FUCKING SNP "THING"........................... I'm pretty sure they were supportive of change not the exact nill they got so don't twist things to suit your agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan862 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, 101 said: Why not 3 months? 16, considering you can have a child and join the army and leave school all of which are big changes to your life or do you think all of those should be 18 or 21? You can leave the army. A child could be aborted or adopted currently. Can't get your cock back unless something changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan862 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, virginton said: Wasting a large amount of parliamentary time and an enormous amount of political capital on a marginal wedge issue was not the right thing to do. Politically, it has been a disaster - compounded by the SG's reverse ferret as soon as the inevitable cases where assumption of self-ID proved problematic. They didn't even have the courage of their right thing to do conviction, and have spent the past month arbitrarily gendering both sexual offences (a male issue) and individual offenders based on an arbitrary wrong 'un scale at Bute House. You can fairly argue that the previous system was too onerous for those who want to transition and that reforms should take place. But the specific reforms put forward were highly flawed in a society that does in fact depend on objective criteria - the conflict between those two principles cannot be swept under the carpet. A shite reform is not better than no reform at all - it should have been punted into the long grass. Meanwhile, the absolute nick of the country as a whole should have been the clear priority of every SG minister: not the GRA and not fucking mandatory recycling deposits either. Both have made the SG look hopelessly out of touch with the most important issues facing the country - it's not the QMU debating chamber. Supermarkets already spending money on the deposit schemes and wouldn't surprise me If it doesn't happen at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, alan862 said: I'm pretty sure they were supportive of change not the exact nill they got so don't twist things to suit your agenda Nope, the proposal put forward by Justine Greening in 2017 was to demedicalise the process of getting a GRC, same as the Holyrood bill. Here you go - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-action-to-promote-lgbt-equality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: At 16 you can join the army or get married. Both can end disastrously . . . Yet the outgoing First Minister doesn't think they should be allowed to consume alcohol at 16. There is a hypocrisy in what 16 year old are allowed to do. It should be all or nothing. You are either an adult or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, alan862 said: You can leave the army. A child could be aborted or adopted currently. Can't get your cock back unless something changes https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/21585-phalloplasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan862 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, carpetmonster said: Nope, the proposal put forward by Justine Greening in 2017 was to demedicalise the process of getting a GRC, same as the Holyrood bill. Here you go - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-action-to-promote-lgbt-equality Where does it say every one agreed with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan862 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, carpetmonster said: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/21585-phalloplasty You can't change and change back on NHS dipshit -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, alan862 said: Where does it say every one agreed with it Government bills don’t tend to include the views of the opposition parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan862 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, carpetmonster said: Government bills don’t tend to include the views of the opposition parties. It was stated earlier on everyone was all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, alan862 said: You can't change and change back on NHS dipshit Nobody mentioned anything about the NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, alan862 said: You can't change and change back on NHS dipshit Nasty Nats!!! Name calling!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, alan862 said: Cant drink alcohol. Can't legally buy an 18 computer game lol You can drink alcohol from age 5 and from 14 (I think) in a bar as long as it's with a meal and there's an adult in the group. I think there should be a more standardised age when you're considered an adult and 16 is fine by me. Although there should also be more rigorous enforcement of laws against drunkenness. It would be better if we as a society managed to change our drinking culture away from the main aim of getting steaming. Easier said than done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: Although there should also be more rigorous enforcement of laws against drunkenness. It would be better if we as a society managed to change our drinking culture away from the main aim of getting steaming. Easier said than done. 100% if we were a bit more civilised we could even have alcohol at the football. Spoiler I accept its never going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Yet the outgoing First Minister doesn't think they should be allowed to consume alcohol at 16. There is a hypocrisy in what 16 year old are allowed to do. It should be all or nothing. You are either an adult or not. I don't disagree. It's also (as you know) my disappointment in the reaction of the Scottish Government to Isla Bryson et al. Edited February 16, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, alan862 said: You can leave the army. A child could be aborted or adopted currently. Can't get your cock back unless something changes GRR has nothing to do with an actual sex change operation - that still has the same process as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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