topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: You're right that this would be weird and they'll probably want to avoid it, because in the event we ended up in a playoff rather than qualifying automatically and knew we were making it if we lost anyway, I would be entirely in favour of losing on purpose to deny Wales qualification. When the Republic of Ireland qualified for Euro 88 thanks to Gary Mackay's goal in in Bulgaria it was in a meaningless match from a Scotland perspective I assume he has never had to pay for a Guinness in Dublin to this day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Donathan said: Terrible idea. That would guarantee that some of them miss out. Actually it would mean just one would miss out, as the top two would qualify through the group and the next two would then be the two best "non qualifying" host nations who'd then receive a qualifying spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Actually it would mean just one would miss out, as the top two would qualify through the group and the next two would then be the two best "non qualifying" host nations who'd then receive a qualifying spot. So Northern Ireland , which will be what will happen anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 6 games at Hampden is more than I expected if this is accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Those numbers only add up to 45 and there are 51 matches under the current format. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie McSquackle Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I think you need to recount. 28+18+5=51. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said: I think you need to recount. 28+18+5=51. Somehow in my head I was doing 3 x 6 = 12 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 It was nice of England to grace all the rest of us peasants with a stadium each. That was very, very gracious of them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I would imagine it’s going to work as follows: Tottenham, Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool and Newcastle get 5 matches each - 4 group matches and one R16 or SF. Manchester and Tottenham get a QF each and the other three get a R16. Cardiff - 4 group matches (including the opener) and two R16 Belfast - 4 group matches and one R16 Hampden & Aviva - 4 groups matches, one R16 and one QF each Wembley - 2 SFs and Final. Wales/Scotland/NI/ROI will be predrawn if they qualify into a group where they can play all their matches at home. England will be predrawn if they qualify into a group with one match in London, one in Newcastle and one in Manchester/Liverpool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 The qualifying format seems really quite reasonable. 2 guaranteed slots seems fair given Ukraine/Poland and Belgium/Holland in the past. England will waltz their group, and if we're not qualifying directly we only need to be above a maximum of 2 of Wales/ROI/NI (most likely 1 of ROI and Wales since NI look incapable of beating anyone). Euro 2020 was a total damp squib because of COVID, but given we'll (presumably) get the away tournament out the system in Germany, a home tournament with a stronger team and without the absurdities of a Europe-wide competition, will be really rather good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Donathan said: I would imagine it’s going to work as follows: Tottenham, Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool and Newcastle get 5 matches each - 4 group matches and one R16 or SF. Manchester and Tottenham get a QF each and the other three get a R16. Cardiff - 4 group matches (including the opener) and two R16 Belfast - 4 group matches and one R16 Hampden & Aviva - 4 groups matches, one R16 and one QF each Wembley - 2 SFs and Final. Wales/Scotland/NI/ROI will be predrawn if they qualify into a group where they can play all their matches at home. England will be predrawn if they qualify into a group with one match in London, one in Newcastle and one in Manchester/Liverpool. Cardiff, Dublin and Glasgow each get a QF according to the Times article. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie McSquackle Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, Donathan said: Somehow in my head I was doing 3 x 6 = 12 So which country were you doing out of hosting games? Wales or Ireland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, HuttonDressedAsLahm said: The qualifying format seems really quite reasonable. 2 guaranteed slots seems fair given Ukraine/Poland and Belgium/Holland in the past. England will waltz their group, and if we're not qualifying directly we only need to be above a maximum of 2 of Wales/ROI/NI (most likely 1 of ROI and Wales since NI look incapable of beating anyone). Euro 2020 was a total damp squib because of COVID, but given we'll (presumably) get the away tournament out the system in Germany, a home tournament with a stronger team and without the absurdities of a Europe-wide competition, will be really rather good. Agreed. This seems a fair way to do things. You would imagine England will qualify directly. I also think there is a good chance of one of us, Wales and RoI doing so as well. This leaving the safety net of two other spots. I would imagine Nations League Plays Off will be a further chance to qualify as well. Given NI’s slide of late, a drop into the bottom league might not be a bad thing for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Apparently some UEFA nations are uneasy about the back door qualification route. The latest proposal I’ve seen includes two direct spots going to the best two non-qualifiers after the qualifying group stages AND any remaining host nations being guaranteed a playoff spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Will there be money put towards redevelopment of Hampden as a result of this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M0rtonfc Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Donathan said: Apparently some UEFA nations are uneasy about the back door qualification route. The latest proposal I’ve seen includes two direct spots going to the best two non-qualifiers after the qualifying group stages AND any remaining host nations being guaranteed a playoff spot. Is it not only England who are saying they won't take it, basically knowing they'll sail into the Euros anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Molotov said: Will there be money put towards redevelopment of Hampden as a result of this? I don’t think so. I am sure when there was chat of bidding for The World Cup there was talk of maybe renovating. However, that was dropped when the bid for the Euros was submitted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, qos_75 said: I don’t think so. I am sure when there was chat of bidding for The World Cup there was talk of maybe renovating. However, that was dropped when the bid for the Euros was submitted. Yeah that’s what I thought. Doubt anything will be done bar a lick of paint and some graphics around the main stand and the hospitality suites. No chance anything will be spent on the peasants. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, M0rtonfc said: Is it not only England who are saying they won't take it, basically knowing they'll sail into the Euros anyway. England are saying they want to play in the qualifiers as it’s better prep for the finals than just playing friendlies for two years. Don’t think they’re opposing the safety net idea, just saying that they don’t want automatic qualification. This article below mentions some unease. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67062742 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKTID Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, Molotov said: Will there be money put towards redevelopment of Hampden as a result of this? There should be but probably won't be, Tonne of work needed at Hampden even before you consider renovation. Northern ireland building a new stadium for this, if they can get some cash together for that then we should aswell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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