ahemps Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 How much does this need Stormont to be functioning to happen? If they fail to get the stadium build what would be the alternative? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 10 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Casement Park: 'Considerable amount' still needed for project says Gordon Lyons - BBC News Redevelopment of Casement Park could require £200m to complete work by 2027 The Stormont minister in charge of the redevelopment of Casement Park stadium in west Belfast has said a "considerable" amount of money still needs to be found for the project to go ahead. Communities Minister Gordon Lyons said funding remained a "big difficulty". The stadium must be completed by the summer of 2027, at the latest. This is in order to host games in the Euro 2028 soccer tournament. Although it will be primarily for GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association) games, the 34,500-capacity stadium is one of 10 venues in the UK and Ireland due to host matches in the Euros. The original cost of the Casement Park redevelopment was £77.5m, but that was a decade ago. In an interview with BBC News NI, it was put to the minister that the cost could now exceed £200m. He said: "The number isn't finalised but even if it was … for commercial reasons I can't go into the details of what that might be. The GAA has said it is willing to pay at least £15m, with other funding coming from Stormont, plus the British and Irish governments. Mr Lyons said he did not yet have clarity on how much the London and Dublin governments are willing to contribute but said the amounts would be "key". Asked if he was confident that Casement Park could be rebuilt in time for Euro 2028, Mr Lyons said that is "entirely dependent upon the funding envelope being made available". So the GAA are looking to not just shake down London for Money but Dublin as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 42 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: So the GAA are looking to not just shake down London for Money but Dublin as well? As I understand it, Dublin offered. Why or what they might be looking for in return is another question. Edited February 14 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 46 minutes ago, 2426255 said: As I understand it, Dublin offered. Why or what they might be looking for in return is another question. On reflection The Ulster GAA would also cover the 3 counties that were partitioned off so if the other provinces have got money out of the Republics coffer then taxpaying GAA aficionados in Cavan, Moneghan and Donegal could justifiably ask why their province isn't getting any. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Work began yesterday so looks like it’s happening, much to the dismay of some. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 20/02/2024 at 05:28, The Golden God said: Work began yesterday so looks like it’s happening, much to the dismay of some. Work has begun clearing the ruin - £ for rebuild isn't yet in place? Dublin promised upto £43m, and GAA say can't go much past £15m.... that leaves £165m+ wanting, mostly from Westminster. GAA says £15m contribution to Casement Park is near its limit - BBC News The GAA has said it is at the £15m limit of what it can contribute towards the redevelopment of Casement Park. On Tuesday the Irish Government said it was providing €50m (£42.8m). It has been suggested by Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) MP Jim Shannon that the overall cost could be £220m. Westminster sources have indicated that the cost could now be as much as £300m. The original price, calculated a decade ago, was £77.5m. The current allocation of public funding approved by the Executive in 2011 is £62.5m. Brian McAvoy, Ulster GAA chief executive, said the UK government and Stormont Executive should now clarify their position on future funding. He said the GAA was an amateur organisation without "the comforts of Fifa or Uefa or World Rugby or anything like that". "There is a limit to what we can do and that's why we've gone to the Irish government - we would have little scope for moving beyond that [£15m contribution] but I think we did well here," he told the BBC's Good Morning Ulster Programme. "We'll see what comes of the overall terms of the overall funding rounds because obviously the ball is very much in the court of the UK government and the executive, that's really where the ball lies now." The redevelopment has been hit by a series of delays, beginning when planning permission for the project was overturned after objections to the stadium's size from local residents. Mr McAvoy was speaking after the BBC revealed that the Casement Park redevelopment would not be completed in time for the 2027 Ulster Gaelic football final. The Gaelic Athletic Association says the stadium should be ready by summer 2027, but it will be too late for the Ulster final that May. Casement Park is also due to host international soccer games in the Euro 2028 tournament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 The Boston lads will have to pass the black beret around again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 If they end up not spending that dosh from Dublin, can we have it for Hampden? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 13/10/2023 at 11:03, Donathan said: The problem with a second stadium in Scotland is that if you choose either OF ground, the other side will kick off about it, and if you choose Murrayfield, some absolute weirdos will kick off because they don’t like rugby stadiums for whatever reason. I‘d like to see Murrayfield host games in Euro 2028, but I don’t think it should be our permanent national stadium for football. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Been trying to find out, does anyone know who will own Casement Park once the work is done? The GAA owns it now, presumably they're not getting given a £300m stadium for £15m? And if they're getting a ton of public money will it be open to other sports? Obviously Northern Ireland fans would rather their team played in the Vatican than in Casement Park - the official supporters club said they don't want to host Euro 2028 if it means Casement Park getting games. But Ulster rugby have taken European semi finals to Dublin in the past, surely they'd rather play these big games in Belfast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 15 hours ago, adamntg said: I‘d like to see Murrayfield host games in Euro 2028, but I don’t think it should be our permanent national stadium for football. The SFA should have made it a condition of our involvement in the bid that we got two grounds, our whole group based here (assuming we qualify), two R16s and a semi final. They probably settled for three group games and a R16, like we got for Euro 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 38 minutes ago, GordonS said: The SFA should have made it a condition of our involvement in the bid that we got two grounds, our whole group based here (assuming we qualify), two R16s and a semi final. They probably settled for three group games and a R16, like we got for Euro 2020. 100%. There is no need for so many English grounds to be used. Two should’ve been minimum. There was also no need to get Northern Ireland or the Republic involved at all. Or Wales for that matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 It's a bit weird for the GAA to plead poverty because they are amateur. They don't pay their players but they still have all the sponsorship, TV and corporate income of a professional sports body. Not to mention a half dozen sold out Croke Parks each year. Lots of people in Ireland question where that money goes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: It's a bit weird for the GAA to plead poverty because they are amateur. They don't pay their players but they still have all the sponsorship, TV and corporate income of a professional sports body. Not to mention a half dozen sold out Croke Parks each year. Lots of people in Ireland question where that money goes I know it's not a great comparison, but for reference, the GAA's annual revenue is more than twice that of the SFA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 €40m went 'supporting preparation' of inter-county teams in 2023 ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 24/02/2024 at 13:41, invergowrie arab said: It's a bit weird for the GAA to plead poverty because they are amateur. They don't pay their players but they still have all the sponsorship, TV and corporate income of a professional sports body. Not to mention a half dozen sold out Croke Parks each year. Lots of people in Ireland question where that money goes Particularly in the context of trying to build a stadium for 30,000 paying customers to watch those unpaid athletes compete 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 22/02/2024 at 23:27, GordonS said: The SFA should have made it a condition of our involvement in the bid that we got two grounds, our whole group based here (assuming we qualify), two R16s and a semi final. They probably settled for three group games and a R16, like we got for Euro 2020. Would that be a good thing? Surely the best thing for us would to have our three games at Hampden and our opponents having to trek to Cornwall or West Wales or something for their other games 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denltfc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) On 24/02/2024 at 20:01, HibeeJibee said: €40m went 'supporting preparation' of inter-county teams in 2023 ... As someone on the fundraising committee of a county team, the expenses are horrendous at times. Meals after every training session, buses bringing players down from Dublin etc couple of nights a week, The coaches, manager, strength and conditioning coaches , nutritionists plans, gym memberships, kit, medical teams, physios etc. Basically nowadays everything a player needs to train like a professional is provided. The overwhelming majority of our county players live away from the county. It adds up but being a county player is a good lifestyle with a few perks. Managers are creaming it at times but the players get little bar maybe a sponsored car. In my day job In the civil service, I have a county player from a different county on the team. With flexileave. wfh he can easily play county and dedicate time to it but the other reality is he has failed the last 3 promotion competitions as he doesn't have the workload or experience needed. Also it should be pointed out that intercounty teams includes hurlers, footballer, Under 20's, Minors, U16, u-14 county development squads ! About 40 lads in the senior football squad and about 32 in the hurling squad. Edited February 26 by denltfc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) Maybe the institution can't really have it's cake and eat it here though? Casement Park: New GAA president against more funding - BBC News GAA's new chairman has today doubled down on not going beyond £15m... so Westminster will now have to find north of £100m (or £130m if revived Exec don't agree to give Casement whole remaining sub-regional stadia pot of £62m not just its current £36m share: DUP has said it won't OK increasing the pot... there are presumably other projects outside Belfast - in other sports and in some cases catering for the other community - also due a share of that pot and whose costs will also have inflated too). Edited February 26 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, denltfc said: As someone on the fundraising committee of a county team, the expenses are horrendous at times. Meals after every training session, buses bringing players down from Dublin etc couple of nights a week, The coaches, manager, strength and conditioning coaches , nutritionists plans, gym memberships, kit, medical teams, physios etc. Basically nowadays everything a player needs to train like a professional is provided. The overwhelming majority of our county players live away from the county. It adds up but being a county player is a good lifestyle with a few perks. Managers are creaming it at times but the players get little bar maybe a sponsored car. In my day job In the civil service, I have a county player from a different county on the team. With flexileave. wfh he can easily play county and dedicate time to it but the other reality is he has failed the last 3 promotion competitions as he doesn't have the workload or experience needed. Also it should be pointed out that intercounty teams includes hurlers, footballer, Under 20's, Minors, U16, u-14 county development squads ! About 40 lads in the senior football squad and about 32 in the hurling squad. If the GAA were to devote less money to 'supporting preparation' they would make life harder for counties but also easier because if the opponents aren't provided with everything a player needs to train like a professional then your players could get away with training like amateurs as well And it's not as if there's a risk of dropping down the international rankings 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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