denltfc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 11 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: If the GAA were to devote less money to 'supporting preparation' they would make life harder for counties but also easier because if the opponents aren't provided with everything a player needs to train like a professional then your players could get away with training like amateurs as well And it's not as if there's a risk of dropping down the international rankings Even the worst counties spend a fortune on team prep. A friend of mine is involved with another county that may win 1 game this year and they have already had 55 training sessions since November for the squad. Some of it is individual sessions but most of them are team sessions. Every county wants the best for its team, its why we are out fundraising morning, noon and night and we are lucky that a large number of property developers come from our county who dig deep when asked for golf classics, horse race meetings, buying raffle tickets for apartments and house etc, putting up the prizes. It should be pointed out a lot of GAA money goes on Games Development Officers (GDO's) in schools and counties who are working full time coaching kids and helping out clubs. One of the strongest selling points of GAA is community involvement. My own 5 year old is being trained in our club where I live by a former all star and county player who is giving back to the club.. 90 five year olds are out each Sunday morning in the all weather cages with kids playing whose parents are mystified by the GAA and come from all over the world. The cost is negligible, its €50 for about 40 sessions a year and any kid who can't afford it, is looked after quietly. The young lad is excited as he goes to his first hurling session tonight on the beach. I enjoy all sports and have season tickets to rugby, soccer club and international and GAA and the FAI must cry when they see the governance of the GAA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 10 hours ago, JS_FFC said: Would that be a good thing? Surely the best thing for us would to have our three games at Hampden and our opponents having to trek to Cornwall or West Wales or something for their other games IIRC there's not a lot of international sporting venues in those locations... I was thinking about the amount of money that would be spent here and the better atmosphere, but I suppose it might give us a slightly better chance if our opponents can't travel directly from their base. A night in a luxury hotel before the game is hardly a hardship though, they're not spending 6 hours on a coach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 6 hours ago, denltfc said: Even the worst counties spend a fortune on team prep. A friend of mine is involved with another county that may win 1 game this year and they have already had 55 training sessions since November for the squad. Some of it is individual sessions but most of them are team sessions. Every county wants the best for its team, its why we are out fundraising morning, noon and night and we are lucky that a large number of property developers come from our county who dig deep when asked for golf classics, horse race meetings, buying raffle tickets for apartments and house etc, putting up the prizes. It should be pointed out a lot of GAA money goes on Games Development Officers (GDO's) in schools and counties who are working full time coaching kids and helping out clubs. One of the strongest selling points of GAA is community involvement. My own 5 year old is being trained in our club where I live by a former all star and county player who is giving back to the club.. 90 five year olds are out each Sunday morning in the all weather cages with kids playing whose parents are mystified by the GAA and come from all over the world. The cost is negligible, its €50 for about 40 sessions a year and any kid who can't afford it, is looked after quietly. The young lad is excited as he goes to his first hurling session tonight on the beach. I enjoy all sports and have season tickets to rugby, soccer club and international and GAA and the FAI must cry when they see the governance of the GAA. Of course they do, the GAA like every major Irish institution is mired in cronyism, backhanders and troughing. It's not a criticism I like the way Ireland operates. It seems like a lot of fun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Maybe the institution can't really have it's cake and eat it here though? Casement Park: New GAA president against more funding - BBC News GAA's new chairman has today doubled down on not going beyond £15m... so Westminster will now have to find north of £100m (or £130m if revived Exec don't agree to give Casement whole remaining sub-regional stadia pot of £62m not just its current £36m share: DUP has said it won't OK increasing the pot... there are presumably other projects outside Belfast - in other sports and in some cases catering for the other community - also due a share of that pot and whose costs will also have inflated too). Sticking at £15m is a bit of a piss-take after 12 years. Even with RPI that would be £24m now, and construction costs have gone up much more than that. They spent €110m on redeveloping their stadium in Cork not long ago. As far as I can see they'll own the new stadium in Belfast, so they'll get all the income from its use and commercial opportunities. If the deal can't be put together and the rebuilding work doesn't start by UEFA's deadline this summer they'll be left with a rotting hulk and Antrim will still be playing at a ground that holds 3,700 with 600 seats. Presumably they're banking on the UK government taking all the slack, having recently given Northern Ireland's politicians a £3.3bn bribe to grow TF up. In any sane country the public sector wouldn't be looking at pouring a couple of hundred million into a sports stadium to hold three matches while public services were skint, but we're talking about the least sane corner of an insane country. Oh, and on a tangent, Northern Ireland is unlike the rest of the UK in that it has a lot of really good journalism. Just as well because little that happens there is reported here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 6 hours ago, denltfc said: Even the worst counties spend a fortune on team prep. A friend of mine is involved with another county that may win 1 game this year and they have already had 55 training sessions since November for the squad. Some of it is individual sessions but most of them are team sessions. Every county wants the best for its team, its why we are out fundraising morning, noon and night and we are lucky that a large number of property developers come from our county who dig deep when asked for golf classics, horse race meetings, buying raffle tickets for apartments and house etc, putting up the prizes. It should be pointed out a lot of GAA money goes on Games Development Officers (GDO's) in schools and counties who are working full time coaching kids and helping out clubs. One of the strongest selling points of GAA is community involvement. My own 5 year old is being trained in our club where I live by a former all star and county player who is giving back to the club.. 90 five year olds are out each Sunday morning in the all weather cages with kids playing whose parents are mystified by the GAA and come from all over the world. The cost is negligible, its €50 for about 40 sessions a year and any kid who can't afford it, is looked after quietly. The young lad is excited as he goes to his first hurling session tonight on the beach. I enjoy all sports and have season tickets to rugby, soccer club and international and GAA and the FAI must cry when they see the governance of the GAA. Irish pensioners must be hard as nails. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 The only reason it’s not been built is that it’s in the wrong part of the city and the whole “country” is filled with pettiness and won’t accept if one community gets something and the other doesn’t. Can’t really tell if it’s just people online/without any actual power who are trying to stop it or if it’s the actual unionist politicians. If it doesn’t happen they better give the games to a Scottish stadium, either Parkhead or Ibrox, cause that won’t cause ant controversy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 14 hours ago, The Golden God said: The only reason it’s not been built is that it’s in the wrong part of the city and the whole “country” is filled with pettiness and won’t accept if one community gets something and the other doesn’t. Can’t really tell if it’s just people online/without any actual power who are trying to stop it or if it’s the actual unionist politicians. If it doesn’t happen they better give the games to a Scottish stadium, either Parkhead or Ibrox, cause that won’t cause ant controversy. That's not true. The main reason it's not been built yet is that the first planning process was badly botched by Ulster GAA and the NI Executive and they lost a judicial review in 2013-14. If it had cleared the planning process at that time it would have got done along with Windsor Park and Ravenhill, which were rebuilt at the same time and part of the same deal. The GAA came back with a new planning application in October 2016 for a smaller stadium with a lower profile, but Stormont collapsed again in March 2017 and there was no-one to take it forward. Planning permission was eventually granted in July 2021, but an appeal meant it wasn't confirmed until July 2022. Really important to note that both the original judicial review and the later appeal were brought by the local residents, in a very nationalist area. It wasn't blocked by unionists. Since then the delays have been about getting a new agreement on the vastly increased costs, and not helped by Stormont being suspended until earlier this month. The new DUP minister for communities, who is in charge of the project for the NI Executive, has committed to the stadium rebuild. They're just waiting for the UK government to turn up with the chequebook. Edited February 27 by GordonS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denltfc Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 On 26/02/2024 at 22:49, eez-eh said: Irish pensioners must be hard as nails. That made me roar out laughing ! cheers ..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 On 13/02/2024 at 23:59, HibeeJibee said: Casement Park: 'Considerable amount' still needed for project says Gordon Lyons - BBC News Redevelopment of Casement Park could require £200m to complete work by 2027 The Stormont minister in charge of the redevelopment of Casement Park stadium in west Belfast has said a "considerable" amount of money still needs to be found for the project to go ahead. Casement Park: Redevelopment could cost more than £300m - BBC News Casement Park: Huge funding shortfall as government reveals redevelopment could cost more than £300m The cost of redeveloping Casement Park in west Belfast for the Euro 2028 soccer tournament could be more than £300m. An official estimate puts the total at around £308m. The figure was quoted in a recent letter by the Northern Ireland Secretary of State Chris Heaton-Harris to the Communities Minister Gordon Lyons. However, the price of the project has not been finalised. The original cost of rebuilding the stadium a decade ago was estimated to be £77.5m. Casement Park is one of 10 venues due to host matches at the Euro 2028 tournament, but rebuilding work must begin soon or Belfast will miss out. At present, there is not a funding package in place to pay for the redevelopment, particularly as costs have risen to meet the standards required for the Euros. The letter, which contained the estimated cost of around £308m, was first reported by UTV. They also reported that Mr Heaton-Harris had told the department that the government "will not accept a position where it is expected to cover the scale of funding gap there appears to exist". As things stand, there is a huge shortfall in funding. The Stormont executive has pledged £62.5m, the Irish government has promised £42.8m while the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) has said it will pay £15m. In total, that amounts to less than half of the estimated cost. There has as yet been no comment from the GAA on the £308m figure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Casement Park: West Belfast stadium to have smaller Euro 2028 capacity - BBC News The new stadium to be built at Casement Park in west Belfast will have a smaller initial capacity than originally planned. There will be room for 30,000 spectators when it first opens, rather than 34,500. However, the plan is to increase the capacity after the Euro 2028 soccer tournament. Questions remain about whether the stadium will be built in time for the event. An official estimate puts the cost of the redevelopment project at about £308m and the funding currently is not available. Nonetheless, preparations for the stadium reconstruction continue and there has been a re-think in terms of the initial configuration of the seating. When planning permission for the stadium was granted in 2022 the capacity quoted was 34,578. The reduced capacity at the Euros will ease traffic and parking issues around the west Belfast venue. The stadium will primarily be for GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association) games but the design will allow it to host other sports, including soccer and rugby. If built, it will be the only stadium in Belfast with more than 20,000 seats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 14 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Casement Park: West Belfast stadium to have smaller Euro 2028 capacity - BBC News The new stadium to be built at Casement Park in west Belfast will have a smaller initial capacity than originally planned. There will be room for 30,000 spectators when it first opens, rather than 34,500. However, the plan is to increase the capacity after the Euro 2028 soccer tournament. Questions remain about whether the stadium will be built in time for the event. An official estimate puts the cost of the redevelopment project at about £308m and the funding currently is not available. Nonetheless, preparations for the stadium reconstruction continue and there has been a re-think in terms of the initial configuration of the seating. When planning permission for the stadium was granted in 2022 the capacity quoted was 34,578. The reduced capacity at the Euros will ease traffic and parking issues around the west Belfast venue. The stadium will primarily be for GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association) games but the design will allow it to host other sports, including soccer and rugby. If built, it will be the only stadium in Belfast with more than 20,000 seats. Love it. Obviously a small tournament like the Euros wouldn't bring the crowds in, but later on... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Get these chancers to f**k. Why is the UK tax payer footing the bill for a GAA stadium? Scandalous its even gotten this far along the road. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 6 minutes ago, Jives Miguel said: Get these chancers to f**k. Why is the UK tax payer footing the bill for a GAA stadium? Scandalous its even gotten this far along the road. Why does it foot the bill for football and rugby stadiums? Why is the Irish Government footing the bill for a stadium in NI? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, The Golden God said: Why does it foot the bill for football and rugby stadiums? Why is the Irish Government footing the bill for a stadium in NI? Why is the UK taxpayer footing the bill for a GAA stadium? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The answer will probably be in here somewhere. Why didn’t they use/ upgrade Windsor Park instead? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 56 minutes ago, Jives Miguel said: Why is the UK taxpayer footing the bill for a GAA stadium? Because it’s being built in the UK and will be used by UK residents multiple times a year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, The Golden God said: Because it’s being built in the UK and will be used by UK residents multiple times a year. It's going to be owned/primarily used by an Irish sporting organisation based in Ireland for an Irish sport which UK nationals have an, at best, niche interest in. So why is the UK taxpayer paying for it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Just now, qos_75 said: The answer will probably be in here somewhere. Why didn’t they use/ upgrade Windsor Park instead? Not 100 percent sure on this but basically all 3 major sports got offered funding towards stadium upgrades, they could have combined it to build an all purpose stadium but for whatever reason decided against it. So they all went separately and Windsor already had their upgrade a few years ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Jives Miguel said: It's going to be owned/primarily used by an Irish sporting organisation based in Ireland for an Irish sport which UK nationals have an, at best, niche interest in. So why is the UK taxpayer paying for it? Can you not read? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, The Golden God said: Can you not read? I can read yes. I must have missed the part where it was explained why the UK taxpayer is funding the stadium costs of the Irish sports organisation the Gaelic Athletic Association, which is based in Dublin, Republic of Ireland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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