Sergeant Wilson Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, ICTChris said: You have to call it a low block now. I'll never keep up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 What's the realistic end game to this shitshow then? Obviously as much as Russia have made themselves look pretty shite at War, Putin has too big an ego to stand down. Will it be a compromise that Russia retain the areas they've taken and claim victory? Does Putin nuke Kiev? Or all out WW3?... Read that Russia's economy had done ok last year but "experts" expect them to take a nosedive soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 hours ago, 19QOS19 said: What's the realistic end game to this shitshow then? Obviously as much as Russia have made themselves look pretty shite at War, Putin has too big an ego to stand down. Will it be a compromise that Russia retain the areas they've taken and claim victory? Does Putin nuke Kiev? Or all out WW3?... Read that Russia's economy had done ok last year but "experts" expect them to take a nosedive soon. If the U.S. Republicans continue to deny aid to Ukraine, Russia has a realistic path to at least a partial victory, however it’s by no means assured. If other European countries follow Denmark’s example and toss all they can at supporting Ukraine, Russian victory seems unlikely. If the U.S. Republicans finally agree to release support, Russia will bleed money and lives until Putin either dies or is overthrown (probably the same result). The Republicans can’t support Ukraine because the money spent is paid to U.S. companies, improving the economy in the run up to the election…can’t support them against Russia because Putin is what they want as a leader. The Danes have done the math…if they need the artillery IN Denmark, Danes are dying to stop Russia, if they give the artillery to Ukraine, it’s not Danes dying to stop Russia. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 11 minutes ago, TxRover said: If the U.S. Republicans continue to deny aid to Ukraine, Russia has a realistic path to at least a partial victory, however it’s by no means assured. If other European countries follow Denmark’s example and toss all they can at supporting Ukraine, Russian victory seems unlikely. If the U.S. Republicans finally agree to release support, Russia will bleed money and lives until Putin either dies or is overthrown (probably the same result). The Republicans can’t support Ukraine because the money spent is paid to U.S. companies, improving the economy in the run up to the election…can’t support them against Russia because Putin is what they want as a leader. The Danes have done the math…if they need the artillery IN Denmark, Danes are dying to stop Russia, if they give the artillery to Ukraine, it’s not Danes dying to stop Russia. I've really not been paying enough attention to it all so my questions will undoubtedly sound stupid but I'm not even sure what a Russia victory is - taking the whole of Ukraine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 hours ago, 19QOS19 said: What's the realistic end game to this shitshow then? Obviously as much as Russia have made themselves look pretty shite at War, Putin has too big an ego to stand down. Will it be a compromise that Russia retain the areas they've taken and claim victory? Does Putin nuke Kiev? Or all out WW3?... Read that Russia's economy had done ok last year but "experts" expect them to take a nosedive soon. The Ruskies will surrender soon, now we've put the fear of God into them. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-is-trident-uk-confirms-second-nuclear-test-failure/ar-BB1iEgEm Oh wait... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 12 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: The Ruskies will surrender soon, now we've put the fear of God into them. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-is-trident-uk-confirms-second-nuclear-test-failure/ar-BB1iEgEm Oh wait... It's OK! The Yanks will help the fight against Putin & Co. Won't they? Um! Perhaps not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, 19QOS19 said: I've really not been paying enough attention to it all so my questions will undoubtedly sound stupid but I'm not even sure what a Russia victory is - taking the whole of Ukraine? Russian strategic win (pre-attack and current) was taking over Ukraine and either installing a puppet regime or annexing. Current tactical Russian win, retaining lands in the East and Crimea plus an agreement with Ukraine to remain out of NATO. Russian tactical loss, retain what they hold but Ukraine joins NATO. Russian strategic loss, lose some or all of the territory they help before the attack AND Ukraine joins NATO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 The Democrats are mad they can’t wage more war to try and mend the economy and win the election. All under the guise of national security. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: The Democrats are mad they can’t wage more war to try and mend the economy and win the election. All under the guise of national security. Too bad the economy is fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 15 hours ago, 19QOS19 said: Read that Russia's economy had done ok last year but "experts" expect them to take a nosedive soon. Both Ukraine and Russia have reoriented their national economies in line with the war although in very different ways. Russia are trying to do it all with public spending while Ukraine are trying to do it all with private foreign investment. Russia: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/10/26/russias-military-keynesianism Ukraine: https://time.com/6691662/ai-ukraine-war-palantir/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 A rare break of sanity among the unhinged, Cold War II fantasism still somehow circulating. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/23/war-ukraine-russia-threat-europe-rearm-us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Ukraine shot down another Russian A-50 over the Sea of Azov. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 23/02/2024 at 17:27, ICTChris said: Ukraine shot down another Russian A-50 over the Sea of Azov. Russia claiming they did it, "by mistake"... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 7 hours ago, TxRover said: Russia claiming they did it, "by mistake"... You've got to ask yourself, which one looks worse? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Salvo Montalbano said: You've got to ask yourself, which one looks worse? Here is the Russian news. "Good news from the battlefield today, when it was established that the new missile system works perfectly..." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/the-spy-war-how-the-cia-secretly-helps-ukraine-fight-putin.html?unlocked_article_code=1.YE0.r5WX.pb8M4a-kuaA7&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 23/02/2024 at 19:01, virginton said: A rare break of sanity among the unhinged, Cold War II fantasism still somehow circulating. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/23/war-ukraine-russia-threat-europe-rearm-us I think that's a fair assessment, but persuading a lot of European NATO countries that spending on the military gives you influence, and influence not to use it, is difficult. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 23/02/2024 at 19:01, virginton said: A rare break of sanity among the unhinged, Cold War II fantasism still somehow circulating. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/23/war-ukraine-russia-threat-europe-rearm-us Based on this presumably. https://quincyinst.org/research/the-diplomatic-path-to-a-secure-ukraine/#contours-of-a-compromise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Forbes with some suggestions on how Ukraine knocked down a second Russian AWACS: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/24/big-fat-missiles-to-take-down-big-fat-russian-planes-how-ukraine-brought-back-its-massive-s-200s/?sh=7da35a354743 TL;DR-Retrofit huge old Russian missile with better seeker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68405893 Olof Palme will be spinning in his grave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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