jamamafegan Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I think this needs its own thread as it is of interest to Scottish football fans as well as Dundee fans. Dundee propose to build a new stadium at Camperdown on the outskirts of the city. See latest graphic of how it would look below. With a 15,000 capacity it would be the 8th biggest stadium in the country, slightly bigger than United’s Tannadice. On Saturday I will be heading to Dundee for our game against the Dees. As a supporter who enjoys a Dundee away day a lot, I have a few thoughts on this new stadium. 1. the stadium design looks decent. Steep looking stands and the corners look like they hold seats as well which is a nice touch. Adds a bit of character. I think the stadium needs this or it runs the risk of simply looking like a better version of McDiarmid Park. 2. The 15k capacity is bold. I like the ambition. However, Dundee will need to think of different ways to attract fans to the ground if they don’t want a half empty stadium every second Saturday. I don’t think the draw of Scottish football is enough, especially if the team is having an average season. Lessons can be learned from abroad like in the MLS where match days have an almost festival like atmosphere. 3. As someone who loves stepping off the train in Dundee and heading straight for Trades on a match day before hiking through the Hilltown to Dens, I have concerns about the new stadium location. It’s miles away from the city centre. Will Dundee FC provide transportation for both home and away fans to the ground or will everyone be expected to use buses/taxis to get to the stadium? Of course, there is no need for DFC to provide such things - but they are banking on people making the effort. How long until fair weather supporters decide they can’t be arsed? Furthermore, how will match days look for fans when/if they move? Do we descend upon the ground and have pre match pints there for a few hours or do we explore new pubs nearby in Lochee? I fear the magic of a Dundee away day would be ruined because everyone’s anxious to get to ground. 4. Similar to the previous point, for people wanting to walk to the stadium - how is this possible when it appears there is no footbridge/underpass crossing the Kingsway? I’m getting visions of people dicing with death as they scamper across the kingsway after sinking several pints. The comments I’ve seen from Dundee fans suggest they are largely on board with this. As far as I understand, renovating Dens is not a viable option. Im not a fan of building stadiums in the outskirts of cities. I think St Johnstone suffer a bit from having our stadium so far away from town. There is only one pub nearby which is more like a Brewers Fayre style place and hardly the kind of boozer you’d like to sink lagers in on a football day. I would like Dundee’s new stadium to be a success but I think they need to be prepared if things don’t go right on the pitch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The owners couldn't really give a shiny as far as full stadiums every second week. They've said as much without actually saying it. They've more interest in that capacity for gigs etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: I think this needs its own thread as it is of interest to Scottish football fans as well as Dundee fans. Dundee propose to build a new stadium at Camperdown on the outskirts of the city. See latest graphic of how it would look below. With a 15,000 capacity it would be the 8th biggest stadium in the country, slightly bigger than United’s Tannadice. On Saturday I will be heading to Dundee for our game against the Dees. As a supporter who enjoys a Dundee away day a lot, I have a few thoughts on this new stadium. 1. the stadium design looks decent. Steep looking stands and the corners look like they hold seats as well which is a nice touch. Adds a bit of character. I think the stadium needs this or it runs the risk of simply looking like a better version of McDiarmid Park. 2. The 15k capacity is bold. I like the ambition. However, Dundee will need to think of different ways to attract fans to the ground if they don’t want a half empty stadium every second Saturday. I don’t think the draw of Scottish football is enough, especially if the team is having an average season. Lessons can be learned from abroad like in the MLS where match days have an almost festival like atmosphere. 3. As someone who loves stepping off the train in Dundee and heading straight for Trades on a match day before hiking through the Hilltown to Dens, I have concerns about the new stadium location. It’s miles away from the city centre. Will Dundee FC provide transportation for both home and away fans to the ground or will everyone be expected to use buses/taxis to get to the stadium? Of course, there is no need for DFC to provide such things - but they are banking on people making the effort. How long until fair weather supporters decide they can’t be arsed? Furthermore, how will match days look for fans when/if they move? Do we descend upon the ground and have pre match pints there for a few hours or do we explore new pubs nearby in Lochee? I fear the magic of a Dundee away day would be ruined because everyone’s anxious to get to ground. 4. Similar to the previous point, for people wanting to walk to the stadium - how is this possible when it appears there is no footbridge/underpass crossing the Kingsway? I’m getting visions of people dicing with death as they scamper across the kingsway after sinking several pints. The comments I’ve seen from Dundee fans suggest they are largely on board with this. As far as I understand, renovating Dens is not a viable option. Im not a fan of building stadiums in the outskirts of cities. I think St Johnstone suffer a bit from having our stadium so far away from town. There is only one pub nearby which is more like a Brewers Fayre style place and hardly the kind of boozer you’d like to sink lagers in on a football day. I would like Dundee’s new stadium to be a success but I think they need to be prepared if things don’t go right on the pitch. There is an underpass next to the building at the top left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 It won't ever happen so no need to worry. I think its a horrible idea anyway. Edge of town facilities people have to drive to are such a 90s notion. There's ample land between the town and the Stannergate for a new stadium and it would nicely link the V&A, e-Sports arena, Eden Project developments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 There's ample land between the town and the Stannergate for a new stadium and it would nicely link the V&A, e-Sports arena, Eden Project developments.I do think DFC missed a trick not exploring the option of using the land where the Eden Project is going. Would have been ideal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: I think St Johnstone suffer a bit from having our stadium so far away from town. There is only one pub nearby which is more like a Brewers Fayre style place and hardly the kind of boozer you’d like to sink lagers in on a football day. One pub? You're a no righter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 minute ago, tree house tam said: One pub? You're a no righter. Aye, there's a few within a short walk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, johnnydun said: Aye, there's a few within a short walk. As well as one in the stadium, which is shite and full of Saintee types, I'll give you that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Just now, tree house tam said: As well as one in the stadium, which is shite and full of Saintee types, I'll give you that. Sorry, misunderstood. I thought you were on about the Nou Campy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Most pointless thread ever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsjfc Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Can still drink in the centre and get the 28/29 up? Any nice pubs in Charleston? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 minute ago, nelsjfc said: Can still drink in the centre and get the 28/29 up? Any nice pubs in Charleston? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Most pointless thread ever. Can't wait until you become our Tenant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, nelsjfc said: Can still drink in the centre and get the 28/29 up? Any nice pubs in Charleston? I'm sure away fans will absolutely love The Gaiety. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Just now, johnnydun said: Can't wait until you become our Tenant. I’m happy to have a wee bet on that not happening, though given my age would be best to put a time limit on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, nelsjfc said: Can still drink in the centre and get the 28/29 up? Any nice pubs in Charleston? The closest pub is the Whip Inn in Dryburgh which is a quaint 18th century coaching Inn. In Charleston you have the Gaeity which is a monument to Soviet brutalism. The Charleston Bar isn't in Charleston and doesn't have a roof at the moment. The Kettledrum is OK. I have never been in Sandys but it intrigues me. Edited April 21, 2022 by invergowrie arab 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, johnnydun said: Can't wait until you become our Tenant. United and Dundee will both be tenants of a separate company coining it in investing nothing back into either club would be my worry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, nelsjfc said: Can still drink in the centre and get the 28/29 up? Any nice pubs in Charleston? You can all bring your own and pile into mine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: I have never been in Sandys but it intrigues me. It's a great pub. If you support Celtic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawB93 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. Alli said: It's a great pub. If you support Celtic. You'll be a regular there then, I imagine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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