Otis Blue Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Kunter said: I think we should be concentrating on proven rather than potential. Should be pushing the boat out and bringing in quality before we become a settled league one team. To me it looks like we're following the same crappy formula of the last few seasons, clearly budget derived. I get where you're coming from there, I do. However, we can't ignore our budget and go wild with our signings and endanger the future of the club in the process - we have to be sensible about this. Marvin will know his budget and he will have a strategy as to how he wants to spend it, and that will have been discussed/agreed with the BOD. We're also making judgements here before Marvin has finished his recruitment business - I'd suggest we wait to see how things fully unfold before making judgements. I'm sure he's still in negotiations with some players/agents who are weighing up their options. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Taranbino Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 What are the minimum expectations do you think to keep Marv in a job? Getting in playoffs but missing out? Or is it promotion or bust for him? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said: No worries. It's not important. Just curious. Harry's a good player and can be at the root of a lot of what we do well but he's more deep lying and, notwithstanding scoring in both our last two games of the season, he's not directly or even immediately indirectly a "goal threat". He should show up much lower than Todd. Todd's not exactly a goal machine from midfield, and last season's return of 6 was better than usual, but my belief is that he is a direct threat in scoring or creating them and I'm surprised the stats show him up otherwise. ... Theres 100% an error on the data collection side with WyScout. Saying Todd only has 1 non-pen goal. Go to look at his 4 listed goals to double check and it only has a clip of 1. Go into his profile and it only shows 12 games, only 1 at home. Same for other QOS players. Double check other L1 clubs and they have a full seasons worth of matches recorded. Comes back to this lack of "Hudl focus camera" I've been told you dont have (and I'm not saying you don't, I genuinely don't know, its just what I was told by someone else who was looking into Ruari Paton found when contacting WyScout to ask why data was missing) Edited June 13, 2023 by RandomGuy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Grant228 said: Matty Todd is a weird one, I think he'd show up ok for goal threat and progressive running, however his best attribute is his off the ball running which will be almost impossible to quantify. Sounds about right? Aye off the ball stuff (runs/pressures) is just stuff I don't have access too. Literally costs thousands these days to get it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, RandomGuy. said: Sounds about right? Aye off the ball stuff (runs/pressures) is just stuff I don't have access too. Literally costs thousands these days to get it. Aye that's about right I'd say. It's one of those things, his data there might pique your interest enough to send a scout, who could then with the eye test pick up on things your data isn't measuring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: ... Theres 100% an error on the data collection side with WyScout. Saying Todd only has 1 non-pen goal. Go to look at his 4 listed goals to double check and it only has a clip of 1. Go into his profile and it only shows 12 games, only 1 at home. Same for other QOS players. Double check other L1 clubs and they have a full seasons worth of matches recorded. Comes back to this lack of "Hudl focus camera" I've been told you dont have (and I'm not saying you don't, I genuinely don't know, its just what I was told by someone else who was looking into Ruari Paton found when contacting WyScout to ask why data was missing) Aye, fair enough. So it's rubbish then! (I know it's not your rubbish). The data is clearly nonsense. If you feed nonsense in you'll get nonsense out. Cochrane's goal threat is massively exaggerated there and his creative passing is under-rated. Todd's goal threat is significantly under-rated there. As I've said before, I've no idea what a Hudl Focus Camera is. We have a special pitch panorama camera thing we use sometimes (though rarely at matches I think, more at training) but as far as I know the footage from that is for our own use, not shared. There's a Pixellot camera in the stadium from our Championship days but as far as I know it's not recorded a match since we were relegated. We film our own games but don't always publish the highlights, depends what time @MOTD Wannabee has. As far as I know the footage is shared to whatever profiles it needs to be though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenacres Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Otis Blue said: I get where you're coming from there, I do. However, we can't ignore our budget and go wild with our signings and endanger the future of the club in the process - we have to be sensible about this. Marvin will know his budget and he will have a strategy as to how he wants to spend it, and that will have been discussed/agreed with the BOD. We're also making judgements here before Marvin has finished his recruitment business - I'd suggest we wait to see how things fully unfold before making judgements. I'm sure he's still in negotiations with some players/agents who are weighing up their options. I can understand some fans I don't think I have ever seen such negative comments from a players previous club about our latest new signing.. As you say M.B. will be far from finished in the transfer market hopefully a few more experienced quality players still to arrive especially in defence plus a few of last seasons squad to sign extensions. Paton I can only hope it will be a massive job to replace him . Connelly and East both signed together and late on last season We always have the gamble of trialists as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Kunter said: Should be pushing the boat out... There's a lot to be said for not letting a fan on the board... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MallanandFlanagan Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Otis Blue said: I get where you're coming from there, I do. However, we can't ignore our budget and go wild with our signings and endanger the future of the club in the process - we have to be sensible about this. Marvin will know his budget and he will have a strategy as to how he wants to spend it, and that will have been discussed/agreed with the BOD. We're also making judgements here before Marvin has finished his recruitment business - I'd suggest we wait to see how things fully unfold before making judgements. I'm sure he's still in negotiations with some players/agents who are weighing up their options. Marvin also seems like a very astute person and I don't think he would have joined us in the first place if he didn't think he could get us back up to the Championship with the budget on offer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: As I've said before, I've no idea what a Hudl Focus Camera is. We have a special pitch panorama camera thing we use sometimes (though rarely at matches I think, more at training) but as far as I know the footage from that is for our own use, not shared. There's a Pixellot camera in the stadium from our Championship days but as far as I know it's not recorded a match since we were relegated. We film our own games but don't always publish the highlights, depends what time @MOTD Wannabee has. As far as I know the footage is shared to whatever profiles it needs to be though. I think its just WyScouts version of Pixellot, tbh, but it automatically uploads the footage to WyScout so they can then create their data from it. Maybe a case they refuse to pay for match footage from elsewhere so if you don't use their Hudl system they just ignore you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kunter Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Otis Blue said: I get where you're coming from there, I do. However, we can't ignore our budget and go wild with our signings and endanger the future of the club in the process - we have to be sensible about this. Marvin will know his budget and he will have a strategy as to how he wants to spend it, and that will have been discussed/agreed with the BOD. We're also making judgements here before Marvin has finished his recruitment business - I'd suggest we wait to see how things fully unfold before making judgements. I'm sure he's still in negotiations with some players/agents who are weighing up their options. I'm not suggesting we go mad on the spending front but sometimes needs must. Likes of the striker. Would it not have be better buying a more proven player on a one year deal than a potential on a two? Our objective just seems to be fixed on young players with a couple of more experienced where previously it would be more experience and break young players in. That worked, this model doesn't. As you say plenty of time yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kunter Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 34 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: There's a lot to be said for not letting a fan on the board... Suppose you're right. It's been working amazingly the last 5 years without one... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Kunter said: Suppose you're right. It's been working amazingly the last 5 years without one... But it would work even better throwing about money we don't have, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 9 hours ago, louisxiv said: Anyone know yet if the game at EK on 24 June is confirmed as open door? I believe it is open door. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annan4eva Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Otis Blue said: Always the case. Don't think the four managers will need reminding of it, goes with the territory. Bring it on! Not only the managers to maintain full time status in this league is surely a huge financial burden. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos1990 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, annan4eva said: Not only the managers to maintain full time status in this league is surely a huge financial burden. Fortunately nothing for you to worry about 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Blue Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, annan4eva said: Not only the managers to maintain full time status in this league is surely a huge financial burden. Aye, there'll be financial pressure, no surprise there. But these clubs will have taken their decisions based on their various income streams from all sources and of course its also a statement of intent in terms of their ultimate ambitions. It's fairly obvious that it's only achievable for certain clubs at L1 level and unlikely further down the pyramid. How long it can be maintained in L1 is another matter. Being FT isn't the whole answer though - PT clubs like Alloa and Montrose compete well with the FT clubs at this level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisxiv Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 11 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said: I believe it is open door. Thanks, SD. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biblemaster Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Kunter said: Suppose you're right. It's been working amazingly the last 5 years without one... If I was on the board, I think I'd be tempted to walk away with comments like this! As I've said before, I don't know Billy Hewitson, but Craig and Mark are two of the most diehard Queens fans I know. They are also sensible, experienced business men! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annan4eva Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Otis Blue said: Aye, there'll be financial pressure, no surprise there. But these clubs will have taken their decisions based on their various income streams from all sources and of course its also a statement of intent in terms of their ultimate ambitions. It's fairly obvious that it's only achievable for certain clubs at L1 level and unlikely further down the pyramid. How long it can be maintained in L1 is another matter. Being FT isn't the whole answer though - PT clubs like Alloa and Montrose compete well with the FT clubs at this level. An intelligent answer is always welcome thank you. That is exactly my point the four clubs need to finish top four for full time status to be justified surely? If not achieved then pointless. As you mention other clubs compete capably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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