BFTD Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 With the modern injection of European money going to Celtgers, it's never going to happen. It's a closed shop. The only chance of someone else being Scottish champions again is if another club is taken over by some bored billionaire, which I'm a little surprised hasn't happened already TBH; Scotland would be an easier route than England for regular Champions League football, as Celtgers could easily be blown out of the water by a Manchester City or PSG. Mad Vlad was the closest we've come. But that wouldn't be any better than what we currently have, other than really, really upsetting Celtgers fans who'd beel about the unfairness of having to compete against a club with massive disposable income...lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, microdave said: When Aberdeen won in 85, it was the last time Dumbarton graced the top flight. Which just proves that Scottish football needs the Sons back there! As long as we’re not waiting on Morton to get to the top flight then there’s a flicker of hope. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 If the Scottish football authorities can prop up a corpse and pretend it's still alive, what else are they capable of? Imagine if either of the big two had a one-off dismal season and failed to make the top six, resulting in fewer televised Old Firm games than paid for in the broadcast contracts. Or worse still, if one of the big two was relegated, would the football authorities panic as they did when Rangers died and try to gerrymander their place back into the top flight? So long as our myopic 'suits' fail to see beyond a duopoly, a duopoly is what we will continue to have. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, pozbaird said: Forgot to mention the third way it could happen. If both of them fcuked off to some sort of manufactured ‘European Super League’ affair. Probably into the second tier of any such nonsense, with the proper big clubs like Real Madrid, Man City and Co in the top tier…. Even then, the Scottish football authorities would…. You know what would happen if they left to join a European league. Why do you think they were so keen to get their B teams in the Lowland League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 There will NEVER be a non bigoted brothers title winner again. Scottish football is utterly rotten from top to bottom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazelle83 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 We were 9 points away from Celtic in 2017/18. Sevco were pretty shit , Celtic weren't great, we were consistent. That alone tells me that it can and will be done. The winner usually drops around 12 points a season, avoiding defeat against the arse cheeks is vital as is being consistent against the rest. I don't think it's necessarily a question of heavy investment either. There's plenty of examples of teams who've punched above their weight by being extremist in whatever style they adopt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richey Edwards Posted July 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2022 A team that was not Rangers or Celtic literally won the league two seasons ago. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, gazelle83 said: We were 9 points away from Celtic in 2017/18. Sevco were pretty shit , Celtic weren't great, we were consistent. That alone tells me that it can and will be done. The winner usually drops around 12 points a season, avoiding defeat against the arse cheeks is vital as is being consistent against the rest. I don't think it's necessarily a question of heavy investment either. There's plenty of examples of teams who've punched above their weight by being extremist in whatever style they adopt. Other way of looking at that is that Celtic were shite, Rangers were shite, and an Aberdeen team which was more or less as strong as there's been for about thirty years still ended up 9 points short, and never at any stage of the season actually looked like they were going to win it. They get 'closer' to winning that title with every year that passes since that season. It was never likely. Winning a last-day dead rubber to make a 12-point gap a 9-point gap doesn't make it a title race. Celtic entered April with a 12-point lead, won the league in their fourth last game and then dropped points, taking one point out of six from two home games after they put their feet up. It finished 9 points, but to call it close is disingenuous. That's the best chance anyone is likely going to get. If you see that season as being encouraging, you're looking at things the wrong way round. Edited July 24, 2022 by VincentGuerin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said: A team that was not Rangers or Celtic literally won the league two seasons ago. Schrodinger's Champs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) The closest anyone has come was Hertz in 1997-98, 25 years ago now. That was some Hearts team, but when you look at the Celtic and Rangers sides then, it shows something similar happening now isn't impossible - just extremely unlikely. Freak events like Leicester down south will happen eventually though over such long timescales. If we were stable in 2005-06? Who knows. We're in as good a position right now as you could hope to be in for a non Old Firm club, both on and off the park. Let's see what the next few years bring... Edited July 25, 2022 by Elixir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Elixir said: The closest anyone has come was Hertz in 1997-98, 25 years ago now. That was some Hearts team, but when you look at the Celtic and Rangers sides then, it shows something similar happening now isn't impossible - just extremely unlikely. Freak events like Leicester down south will happen eventually through over such long timescales. If we were stable in 2005-06? Who knows. We're in as good a position right now as you could hope to be in for a non Old Firm club, both on and off the park. Let's see what the next few years bring... 97-98 was the last proper non-OF title challenge. There hasn't been a credible 'oh shit, they might actually win it' one since. 2005-06 was done on (if my Tynecastle mole is to be believed) we were paying roughly a third of the wages of Rangers and Celtic. Leaving all the fucking about aside, that showed that you could build a team to challenge on that sort of ratio. The problem now is that it's extremely hard to see how any side sustainably gets to a third of the OF's budgets to spend on wages. I just don't see how it can be done. Edited July 24, 2022 by VincentGuerin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kingjoey Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Willie adie said: That was an opportunity if Mcinnes has shown some fucking balls Talking about balls, that’s absolute bollocks. A myth perpetuated by the McHuness haters within our social media support. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 What we need is a club to amass superior football knowledge & just want it more. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadasdillinger Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 You only have to look at our 2018/19 season to see it will never happen. In the calendar year of 2018, no one took more points than we did under Clarke. We were on an amazing run. Top of the league in December. Come January, Greg Stewart fucked off to Aberdeen in that weird bit of business (we tried and failed to replace him with McAleny), Rangers unsettled Jones, we hit a sticky patch for about three weeks, and our title challenge was dead in the water. That's how easy it is for us diddy teams to be batted aside. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: 97-98 was the last proper non-OF title challenge. There hasn't been a credible 'oh shit, they might actually win it' one since. 2005-06 was done on (if my Tynecastle mole is to be believed) we were paying roughly a third of the wages of Rangers and Celtic. Leaving all the fucking about aside, that showed that you could build a team to challenge on that sort of ratio. The problem now is that it's extremely hard to see how any side sustainably gets to a third of the OF's budgets to spend on wages. I just don't see how it can be done. If you kept Burley in charge, you would have won the league imo. 7 hours ago, gazelle83 said: We were 9 points away from Celtic in 2017/18. Sevco were pretty shit , Celtic weren't great, we were consistent. That alone tells me that it can and will be done. The winner usually drops around 12 points a season, avoiding defeat against the arse cheeks is vital as is being consistent against the rest. I don't think it's necessarily a question of heavy investment either. There's plenty of examples of teams who've punched above their weight by being extremist in whatever style they adopt. We were 15 points behind Celtic and drawn 13 games that season. If we won seven of those 13 drawn games we would have won the league. Edited July 24, 2022 by Lyle Lanley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) We will win it in 4 years time and its the reason we have signed a new development squad full of superstars. Patience lads. Edited July 24, 2022 by Hoose Rice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 My consortium agreement was roundly rejected so another 40 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said: We will win it in 4 years time and its the reason we have signed a new development squad superstars. Patience lads. Champions League winners in 2027 it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alert Mongoose said: My consortium agreement was roundly rejected so another 40 years. Aberdeen again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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