Is your team's stadium crumbling?

[Sergeant Wilson]

9 hours ago, Kapowzer said:

1960's main stand financed by Ian St John's sale. 1990's behind the goals stands financed a fair bit by Phil O'Donnell's sale. Covid era refurbishments funded partly by Turnbull's move to Celtic.

Lick of paint throughout the stadium, new seats in the stand you see facing the TV cameras (gave old seats away to various lower league and amateur sides because that's what we do). +£700k spent and attempted to semi-level pitch within existing footprints and space restrictions, 5% plastic bowling green carpet.

Main stand has many issues due to its age and wooden construction. Whole stadium experienced flooding 2 weeks ago, however mentioned in our thread I know the guy who did work on the place 10 years ago to stop that being an issue and he's a bum, so no surprise.

Since Ravenscraig site was cleared there's been calls for a move. Issue is our stadium isn't town centre like Broomfield was, with associated restrictions that make it not as popular with supermarket, so no major lump sum to fund it. Suspect it will happen in my lifetime however.

Probably a scandi style steep bowl borrowing a lot from Tynecastle which is the best stadium for me.

All stadia need ongoing maintenance, Old Trafford was finished 20 years ago and its already falling apart. When McCann rebuilt Parkhead didn't it only have a 25 year lifespan/guarantee, maybe a Celtic fan can recall? Ibrox at the rear looks very dated, same can't be said for the new tenants.

The old seats are at Armadale and Whitburn now. Maybe elsewhere too.

[PauloPerth]

When McDiarmid was built, Pittodrie and kilbowie were already all seated,  both having benches in parts of the ground which were common early replacements for terracing at a few Scottish grounds; The Derry and provy road end at Dens, the side stand at Tynecastle, Easter Road.  Are Morton the only club still with benches?

Furing construction, McDiarmid was  regularly referred to as a mini-Ibrox, as that was the template copied with the 4 separate stands.   I don’t think anyone thought of doing anything different with the seat colours.

[Alert Mongoose]

Tannadice seems not too bad apart from the Shed which is looking a bit worse for wear. Not sure if it's practical but would like us to bring back the Belhaven corner walls.

[Monkey Tennis]

1 minute ago, Alert Mongoose said:

 Not sure if it's practical but would like us to bring back the Belhaven corner walls.

TSB in my day.

[Molotov]

6 hours ago, Ray Patterson said:

Aberdeen - Tear it down and start again
Celtic - Take away the pillar
United - I think Tannadice is okay,  the club spent a lot of money renovating it in 2018-19, still think we could do with a couple of more LEDs for visiting fans and the Jerry Kerr needs a facelift. Some safe standing would also be nice (in the Shed ideally).
Hearts - No issue.
Hibs - No issue.
Livi - The away section feels weirdly fragmented, and it is starting to look a bit tired.
Killie - Genuinely no issues, maybe some LEDs would be nice. Went to it this year for the first time and was surprised at how decent a ground it was.
Motherwell - Away end is fine, but the rest of the stadium is looking very tired. Wouldn't be surprised if they end up moving soon(ish).
Rangers - Haven't been in the last 8 years so can't really comment, but it was need a few licks of paint last time I was there.
Ross County - Nothing other than some LEDs and new camera positions, they need to find a way to make the camera gantries 2-3m higher. Always annoying to watch on Sportscene.
St Johnstone - Really starting to show its age now, feel like it needs to take out the horrid seating and replace it with all blue and also put in a new LED.
St Mirren - Underrated ground, really nice and easily accessible. An LED for visiting fans would be nice.
 

It’s strange how opinions can differ. 

Just a few differing points from my perspective. 

Kilmarnock must have the worst leg room in the league with regards seating. 

United’s ground is a hot potch of stands. It is really strange as an away supporter to be using the old “home” end facilities. It used to be a great ground.
Best in the league no doubt Tynecastle closely followed by Easter Road. 

Finally Parkhead and Ibrox should just be carpet bombed and left deserted as a reminder that religious bigotry has no place in our country.

 

[Empty It]

6 hours ago, Ray Patterson said:

Aberdeen - Tear it down and start again
Celtic - Take away the pillar
United - I think Tannadice is okay,  the club spent a lot of money renovating it in 2018-19, still think we could do with a couple of more LEDs for visiting fans and the Jerry Kerr needs a facelift. Some safe standing would also be nice (in the Shed ideally).
Hearts - No issue.
Hibs - No issue.
Livi - The away section feels weirdly fragmented, and it is starting to look a bit tired.
Killie - Genuinely no issues, maybe some LEDs would be nice. Went to it this year for the first time and was surprised at how decent a ground it was.
Motherwell - Away end is fine, but the rest of the stadium is looking very tired. Wouldn't be surprised if they end up moving soon(ish).
Rangers - Haven't been in the last 8 years so can't really comment, but it was need a few licks of paint last time I was there.
Ross County - Nothing other than some LEDs and new camera positions, they need to find a way to make the camera gantries 2-3m higher. Always annoying to watch on Sportscene.
St Johnstone - Really starting to show its age now, feel like it needs to take out the horrid seating and replace it with all blue and also put in a new LED.
St Mirren - Underrated ground, really nice and easily accessible. An LED for visiting fans would be nice.
 

You're not an LED salesman are you?

[Molotov]

18 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

TSB in my day.

I’m sure I remember something else before the TSB days. Really iconic advertising. Miss it every time now.

Sadly I can’t seem to find any images of these corner advertisements online.

The old section of covered terracing that both sets of fans used across from the main stand at Tannadice was arguably the steepest I have ever experienced. 

What a team Jim McLean’s United were back in the day. It’s an absolute travesty they were robbed of the ‘84 European final against Liverpool through bribery and corruption.

Some of the greatest ever games my team had back in the 70s and 80s were against United. 

The ‘87 cup final was the worst game ever. But I enjoyed the result.

VAR would have held that game up for how long now with that offside United “goal” in extra time?

f**k VAR

f**k the SFA, UEFA, FIFA and corrupt referees. 

Jim McLean punched the wrong guys!

[Molotov]

1 hour ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

I’m pretty sure Kilbowie would still have been standing at the time McDiarmid was built.

Technically, Kilbowie was the first all seater football stadium in the UK if I remember correctly (I may be wrong).

I know what you meant but it’s still funny given the subject matter.

Kilbowie was sold off in 1997. 

McDiarmid opened in 1989. 

Pittodrie was all-seater in 1978 if you class those bench seats that were used at Kilbowie and Pittodrie as seats. I never once sat on them apart from half time.

Be interesting to hear exactly when the main stand enclosure at Ibrox was finally made all seated. 

Rangers used to peddle a lie that their ground was all seated when it clearly wasn’t. Not the first time they have lied. No doubt there was a reason for lying to get financial grants given.

[PauloPerth]

9 minutes ago, Molotov said:

Rangers used to peddle a lie that their ground was all seated when it clearly wasn’t. Not the first time they have lied. No doubt there was a reason for lying to get financial grants given.

Are you sure? Ibrox was renovated in the (late?) 1970’s and I think still had the standing enclosure up until the Taylor report made all seaters compulsory in the early 1990’s.

I can’t recall ever hearing anyone refer to ibrox as all-seated up til then; there was no great desire to have an all-seated ground for anyone.  It was a bit weird that Aberdeen and Clydebank had gone that way as standing was far more popular, and Saints as well when we built McD, though the aftermath of hillsborough justified that decision at the time.
 

 I’d be surprised if you got a grant for saying your stadium was all-seated when you had standing for 9000. It surely wouldn’t be too hard to expose that lie!

[Monkey Tennis]

1 minute ago, PauloPerth said:

Are you sure? Ibrox was renovated in the (late?) 1970’s and I think still had the standing enclosure up until the Taylor report made all seaters compulsory in the early 1990’s.

Did the Taylor Report make anything compulsory in Scotland?

[PauloPerth]

2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Did the Taylor Report make anything compulsory in Scotland?

I thought it was uk wide. Could be wrong. 
 

 

[mozam76]

18 minutes ago, Molotov said:

Be interesting to hear exactly when the main stand enclosure at Ibrox was finally made all seated. 

I seem to recall it being around 1995. A mate of mine got a season ticket for the enclosure when the seats were put in, and he was given what we call the Scousers row, in other words AA. He apparently had a cracking view of the players boots. 

Re my own club, it’s looking a bit unloved in places. The south west corner is looking quite dilapidated what with a fire damaged container which has never been removed. A new tannoy system and a screen of sorts would be excellent. Having said all that, the work done to get the place ready for the top league following our unexpected promotion a few years ago had stood us in really good stead. 

[Monkey Tennis]

Just now, PauloPerth said:

I thought it was uk wide. Could be wrong. 
 

 

Our football authorities certainly made it compulsory later on, but I don't know if it was a legal requirement here.

[Monkey Tennis]

4 minutes ago, mozam76 said:

I seem to recall it being around 1995. A mate of mine got a season ticket for the enclosure when the seats were put in, and he was given what we call the Scousers row, in other words AA. He apparently had a cracking view of the players boots. 

Re my own club, it’s looking a bit unloved in places. The south west corner is looking quite dilapidated what with a fire damaged container which has never been removed. A new tannoy system and a screen of sorts would be excellent. Having said all that, the work done to get the place ready for the top league following our unexpected promotion a few years ago had stood us in really good stead. 

I think it was a bit earlier, but could be wrong.  Did the enclosure continue after the Club Deck was installed?  The latter was definitely in place by 1993.

Edited January 1, 2023 by Monkey Tennis

[Clown Job]

9 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Did the Taylor Report make anything compulsory in Scotland?

Not sure it was a legal requirement in Scotland  

Didn't the SPL have a 10k all seater stadium rule back in the early 2000’s

[Molotov]

9 minutes ago, PauloPerth said:

Are you sure? Ibrox was renovated in the (late?) 1970’s and I think still had the standing enclosure up until the Taylor report made all seaters compulsory in the early 1990’s.

I can’t recall ever hearing anyone refer to ibrox as all-seated up til then; there was no great desire to have an all-seated ground for anyone.  It was a bit weird that Aberdeen and Clydebank had gone that way as standing was far more popular, and Saints as well when we built McD, though the aftermath of hillsborough justified that decision at the time.
 

 I’d be surprised if you got a grant for saying your stadium was all-seated when you had standing for 9000. It surely wouldn’t be too hard to expose that lie!

“When did Ibrox become all-seater?

1981

After the Ibrox disaster of 1971, the stadium was largely rebuilt. The vast bowl-shaped terracing was removed and replaced by three rectangular, all-seated stands by 1981.”

It was heralded at the time as all seater when it clearly wasn’t.

It was a lie perpetuated for many many years.

What actually was the first all-seater stadium in Scotland given we can’t class bench seating at Kilbowie and Pittodrie as seats!  

[PauloPerth]

Just now, Monkey Tennis said:

Our football authorities certainly made it compulsory later on, but I don't know if it was a legal requirement here.

wasn’t sure either so looked, apparently it did also apply to Scotland: 
 

 

3. Subject to Recommendation 2 above, Recommendation 1 above should apply with effect from the start of the 1994/5 season to all matches at grounds in the first and second divisions of the Football League, the Premier Division of the Scottish Football League, and at national stadia, subject to a reasonable extension of time in the case of a club promoted to the second division of the Football League or the Premier Division of the Scottish Football League. Standing accommodation at these grounds should be reduced annually by 20% of the present standing capacity (such present standing capacity to be calculated according to Recommendation 8 below), the first 20% deduction being effective from August 1990 so as to eliminate standing by August 1994.

[Molotov]

2 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

 

Didn't the SPL have a 10k all seater stadium rule back in the early 2000’s

Yes that was the case when St Mirren had to seat the old Love St terracing to gain promotion in 99/09 yet ICT were allowed by the league to ground share in 2004.

Edited January 1, 2023 by Molotov

[Monkey Tennis]

Just now, PauloPerth said:

wasn’t sure either so looked, apparently it did also apply to Scotland: 
 

 

3. Subject to Recommendation 2 above, Recommendation 1 above should apply with effect from the start of the 1994/5 season to all matches at grounds in the first and second divisions of the Football League, the Premier Division of the Scottish Football League, and at national stadia, subject to a reasonable extension of time in the case of a club promoted to the second division of the Football League or the Premier Division of the Scottish Football League. Standing accommodation at these grounds should be reduced annually by 20% of the present standing capacity (such present standing capacity to be calculated according to Recommendation 8 below), the first 20% deduction being effective from August 1990 so as to eliminate standing by August 1994.

I actually wondered about that after posting, given that you got temporary steps like the installation of seats in The Jungle, and the issuing of ponchos for those using uncovered temporary seats in Edinburgh.

[PauloPerth]

1 minute ago, Molotov said:

“When did Ibrox become all-seater?

1981

After the Ibrox disaster of 1971, the stadium was largely rebuilt. The vast bowl-shaped terracing was removed and replaced by three rectangular, all-seated stands by 1981.”

It was heralded at the time as all seater when it clearly wasn’t.

It was a lie perpetuated for many many years.

What actually was the first all-seater stadium in Scotland given we can’t class bench seating at Kilbowie and Pittodrie as seats!  

“The vast bowl-shaped terracing was removed and replaced by three rectangular, all-seated stands by 1981.”

 

I don’t like to be sticking up for them, but that’s exactly what happened is it not?!!

They knocked down the curved terracing on 3 sides and put up 3 all-seated stands.  It’s the exact same that Celtic did under Fergus McCann in the 90’s.

Only difference was rangers’ main stand had a terraced enclosure along the front.