Binos Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 3 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: No sensible commentator wants "Indy now"..... but it's not really that complicated. There is a natural majority in Scotland for independence. Forget all the wind and p@sh socially divisive stuff. That can wait until after independence. It's the economy stupid. Get that right. Get the currency and pension arguments sorted. After the baby boomers generation The rest of us us all have totally fucked non existent pensions anyway 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 6 hours ago, GTee said: It's mind boggling that folk decide if Scotland should self govern based on a person in charge of the government of the day. It's massively missing the point. At the time when a vote on it isn't even occurring I've thought that 2029 being 15 years, a generation, would be a natural juncture for another, and final, vote As with quebec, one framing of the question didn't settle the matter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 3 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: There is a natural majority in Scotland for independence. Sorry, but there isn't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said: Sorry, but there isn't. There was in sustained polling for a year when we physically left eu Also during the covid pandemic After liz truss there was, in polling Gender recognition bill reversed that, in polling Edited March 19, 2023 by Binos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Binos said: After liz truss there was, in polling Gender recognition bill reversed that, in polling Transitory, not natural. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, alta-pete said: Transitory, not natural. It's in the balance, yes I believe as more of the baby boomers cease to be in years to come it will grow further 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Binos said: There was in sustained polling for a year when we physically left eu Also during the covid pandemic After liz truss there was, in polling Gender recognition bill reversed that, in polling A Labour government could reverse it further. For me, a natural independence majority would mean a significant Yes lead for a long time, which isn’t due to factors that could provoke knee jerk responses such as Brexit, Sturgeon playing politics during COVID or an unpopular Tory leader. Edited March 19, 2023 by CarrbridgeSaintee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Kate Forbes on Sky News with Sophy Ridge at 8.30 Could be worth a listen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said: A Labour government could reverse it further. For me, a natural independence majority would mean a significant Yes lead for a long time, which isn’t due to factors that could provoke knee jerk responses such as Brexit, Sturgeon playing politics during COVID or an unpopular Tory leader. OK you're a no voter As nothing that happens, brexit, covid, truss, anything else seems to register with you other than knee jerk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 The only extremely thin sliver of good news in all this is that as implosions go, it's quick. Better that, than drip feeding over weeks and months to come. I dont believe for a minute that the 3 campaigns don't have some kind of straw poll of how they are doing, and I don't believe Forbes would have been in and around this had she been well ahead in the count so far. This is an attempt to turn the table over and hope she gets some momentum out of the chaos. Could see it being Forbes now if enough votes are still not cast put there. Regan is a fucking bad joke, but either way it doesn't mean anything good for the SNP electorally. If this episode damages the SNP in the longer term, Forbes will have chucked away the polling advantage that Sturgeon had bequeathed the party in order to get the job, and she'll be trying to win an election against Labour with no polling advantage and on a platform that will give Sarwar a chance to look more left wing than her. Regan will be failing to get elected by Alba by then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, renton said: The only extremely thin sliver of good news in all this is that as implosions go, it's quick. Better that, than drip feeding over weeks and months to come. I dont believe for a minute that the 3 campaigns don't have some kind of straw poll of how they are doing, and I don't believe Forbes would have been in and around this had she been well ahead in the count so far. This is an attempt to turn the table over and hope she gets some momentum out of the chaos. Could see it being Forbes now if enough votes are still not cast put there. Regan is a fucking bad joke, but either way it doesn't mean anything good for the SNP electorally. If this episode damages the SNP in the longer term, Forbes will have chucked away the polling advantage that Sturgeon had bequeathed the party in order to get the job, and she'll be trying to win an election against Labour with no polling advantage and on a platform that will give Sarwar a chance to look more left wing than her. Regan will be failing to get elected by Alba by then. Humza is still 4/11 odds on So reckon you have your answer and the left leaning question answered 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Kate Forbes on Sky News with Sophy Ridge at 8.30 Could be worth a listen. 9.10 She's on Kuenssberg too. Edited March 19, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: You don't half make up some nonsense. Who said anything about Ash being a credible candidate. I would suggest that those who continuously backed the ongoing worsening calamity that was the Sturgeon/Murrell run SNP are those guilty of suffering from delusions. She was the one I was talking about and then you criticised me for calling her a roaster. I've made my views on Yousaf and Murrell pretty clear as well. I resigned from the SNP because of vaccine passports and the general concern over the control freakery within the SNP. I genuinely dont know what point you are trying to make? Edited March 19, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Dave Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Kate Forbes doesn’t do interviews on sundays because of her religion. Is that going to carry on if she wins 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 51 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Kate Forbes on Sky News with Sophy Ridge at 8.30 Could be worth a listen. 33 minutes ago, welshbairn said: 9.10 She's on Kuenssberg too. The Sky interview's from Friday because she doesn't work on Sundays. She's rolling back on her campaign manager's doubts about the integrity of the election, which might suggest her private polling is looking good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 You can see that a lot of resentment has built up within the SNP thats coming out now on all sides. A bit more freedom of thought should be allowed in future without the need for name calling if someone has different views. The type of party the SNP is means it will have diverse views so you cant force them on everyone you need to be reaching a compromise. Hopefully thats one lesson learnt but reading any social media or even this thread at times that looks unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 A First Minister than won't work on Sundays.... On the plus side, Forbes has reminded me of this classic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 9 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: For goodness sake....we have had one poster going on about "the lunatic fringe" and now "roasters." These are fellow independence supporters. Sturgeons reign really has damaged the SNP. What a wet blanket 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, itzdrk said: What a wet blanket It's long overdue, but I'm glad somebody is finally thinking of the children. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 I couldn't give a stuff when the First Minister actually works. I'm interested in deliverables which are ultimately improving the life and opportunities of the people of Scotland and delivering independence. Whether that takes 50 hours a week or 20 hours a week is irrelevant. I find it a bit bizarre that people get worked up by that. I have worked a couple of Sundays in my entire career to date (c.20 years). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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