sophia Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Bob in Denny said: Not a dig.. Ferguson Shipyard has built more than a few Cal Mac ferries over the years.. more likely someone fecked up along the line... It's hard, given the objective evidence of history that the Glasgow shipyard mindset wasn't necessarily focussed on delivery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Denny Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 32 minutes ago, sophia said: It's hard, given the objective evidence of history that the Glasgow shipyard mindset wasn't necessarily focussed on delivery. Fergusons survived the downturn which hit Clyde shipbuilding by specialising, I used to find it funny that the Greenock Telegraph was forever publishing stories and photos of Koreans and Japanese over to see how the then Lithgows and their ilk did their work.. Fergusons bumbled along getting orders and surviving until this 'disaster', since it was taken over you would not recognise the place.. there has been some amount of money spent on the yard.. but whose? Port Glasgow, by the way.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Michael W Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 https://twitter.com/MichelleThomson/status/1668199640708046849?t=O24-rpaej_GS9m8REtC6dA&s=19 Posted it in the other thread, but it belongs in here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 I think that classes as the second most stupid thing Keith Brown has said today. This is an absolute corker. He's an ex Justice Minister as well with such a poor grasp of the law. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Sturgeon and her supporters give the impression they would happily destroy everything without a second thought to avoid any short term damage to her reputation 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 19 hours ago, ScotiaNostra said: Sturgeon and her supporters give the impression they would happily destroy everything without a second thought to avoid any short term damage to her reputation I mean it's literally no different from a cult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, strichener said: I mean it's literally no different from a cult. I eagerly await your dissertation cataloguing the synergies and similarities between the two. I am quite sure that it won't descend into nonsense as the author disappears up their own arse. What is actually happening is that there is simple a base recognition that the SNP are a vehicle and not the destination. Nicola stands in good stead with the wider movement because of her past record. The Police have no charges to make, and there doesn't appear to be anything for anyone to object too. If any of them were to be suspended, what infringement would they be suspended for? Helping the Police with their enquiries? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Zern said: I eagerly await your dissertation cataloguing the synergies and similarities between the two. I am quite sure that it won't descend into nonsense as the author disappears up their own arse. What is actually happening is that there is simple a base recognition that the SNP are a vehicle and not the destination. Nicola stands in good stead with the wider movement because of her past record. The Police have no charges to make, and there doesn't appear to be anything for anyone to object too. If any of them were to be suspended, what infringement would they be suspended for? Helping the Police with their enquiries? I don't need to write a dissertation. The esteemed ex-leader of the party is arrested by the police investigating wrong doing in the party that she led and where she was married to the chief-exec. Instead of distancing themselves from her they instead buy her flowers. In what reality is this the actions that show that the party are right to govern the country or lead us to the ever diminishing likelihood of independence. Her legacy is that she has caused irreparable short term damage to the independence movement and yet is lauded as a great politician. She wasn't, she isn't and the sooner the cultists realise this the sooner they can start making the correct decisions for the SNP. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, strichener said: I don't need to write a dissertation. The esteemed ex-leader of the party is arrested by the police investigating wrong doing in the party that she led and where she was married to the chief-exec. Instead of distancing themselves from her they instead buy her flowers. In what reality is this the actions that show that the party are right to govern the country or lead us to the ever diminishing likelihood of independence. Her legacy is that she has caused irreparable short term damage to the independence movement and yet is lauded as a great politician. She wasn't, she isn't and the sooner the cultists realise this the sooner they can start making the correct decisions for the SNP. It's not a cult then. Just name calling. Ad hominem to dismiss something. I don't see any damage to the SNP as damage to the independence movement. They are not the same. That support remains buoyant and well above the level that the previous referendum enjoyed at its beginning. There is no doubt that Nicola has be lauded as a great politician. Not surprising given her history. A history of many successes, few failures and with no actual scandals beyond the usual suspects. Who have a tendency to project their own insecurities onto others. There is also the legacy of her outreach work within the EU, other Parliaments and leaders and more. Most noted is her ability to debate and improvise whilst doing so. An effective communicator. The party appears quite aware of everything you say, and the flowers are a nice touch. She has no charges against her, none of them do. Is the mere fact of an investigation, and the way in which it has been carried out, supposed to be leading me towards some conclusion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Zern said: Is the mere fact of an investigation, and the way in which it has been carried out, supposed to be leading me towards some conclusion? You're supposed to assume they're guilty because they're being investigated. When it inevitably leads to nothing, you're then supposed to assume that Police Scotland are corrupt and are all SNP voters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: You're supposed to assume they're guilty because they're being investigated. When it inevitably leads to nothing, you're then supposed to assume that Police Scotland are corrupt and are all SNP voters. Basic media literacy should make anyone suspect anything that is leading with the spectacular in favour of the factual. Although i absolutely support Police Scotland's proactive approach and look forward to similar scrutiny, and murder tents, being placed on another political party. Won't be holding my breath tho' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, strichener said: I don't need to write a dissertation. The esteemed ex-leader of the party is arrested by the police investigating wrong doing in the party that she led and where she was married to the chief-exec. Instead of distancing themselves from her they instead buy her flowers. In what reality is this the actions that show that the party are right to govern the country or lead us to the ever diminishing likelihood of independence. Her legacy is that she has caused irreparable short term damage to the independence movement and yet is lauded as a great politician. She wasn't, she isn't and the sooner the cultists realise this the sooner they can start making the correct decisions for the SNP. " Irreparable short-term damage"? That's an interesting indictment. How long before the "Irreparable" damage can be repaired, and by whom or what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razamanaz Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Zern said: It's not a cult then. Just name calling. Ad hominem to dismiss something. I don't see any damage to the SNP as damage to the independence movement. They are not the same. That support remains buoyant and well above the level that the previous referendum enjoyed at its beginning. There is no doubt that Nicola has be lauded as a great politician. Not surprising given her history. A history of many successes, few failures and with no actual scandals beyond the usual suspects. Who have a tendency to project their own insecurities onto others. There is also the legacy of her outreach work within the EU, other Parliaments and leaders and more. Most noted is her ability to debate and improvise whilst doing so. An effective communicator. The party appears quite aware of everything you say, and the flowers are a nice touch. She has no charges against her, none of them do. Is the mere fact of an investigation, and the way in which it has been carried out, supposed to be leading me towards some conclusion? Is this for real? Wonderful woman, made a right fool of the sheep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, strichener said: Her legacy is that she has caused irreparable short term damage to the independence movement You're assuming guilt. Do you have some inside knowledge of the police investigation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Me and Zern must live in very different worlds. That is some take... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Me and Zern must live in very different worlds. That is some take... If you have any accusations that are worthy of any consideration you may address them to: Contact Police Scotland - Police Scotland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Zern said: If you have any accusations that are worthy of any consideration you may address them to: Contact Police Scotland - Police Scotland I'll wait for the Police to conclude their investigation, thanks. Rather than contorting that the former FM had arranged to help Police with their enquiries. That is a truly wild take when the Police statement said she was arrested as a suspect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/james-dornan-bombshell-police-scotland-30235446?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar Dornan could have a thread of his own but thought this would be the best place for this belter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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