Conference League Good Guys List

[Dan Steele]

Vote withdrawn, you say?

[Dunning1874]

The cowardice involved in withdrawing the resolution before a vote is possibly even more embarrassing for Maxwell than holding it and losing it. His position is untenable.

Huge credit to every fan who had gotten in touch with every club which had announced their intention to vote No. This wouldn't have happened without fan pressure and it's a real indication of what fans can achieve when there's a single issue to unite on. If we were all credulous idiots who blindly accepted what we were told about done deals like fans of a certain Fife based Lowland League club, this vote would be going ahead tomorrow and there's every chance it would have gone the wrong way.

[Spyro]

11 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

If we were all credulous idiots who blindly accepted what we were told about done deals like fans of a certain Fife based Lowland League club, this vote would be going ahead tomorrow

Tbf, they are new here and maybe don't realise this isn't our 1st rodeo at this type of nonsense from Maxwell and his friends... 

Thomas Brown needs to go IMMEDIATELY though after that havering shite he put out on his pet podcast. He is either VERY niave and incompetent, or a complete arsehole of a man who went out his way to screw his own league over for a nice backhander from his OF and SFA buddies 

[CityDave94]

[Blue Brazil Forever]

5 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I was told they can't now it's on the agenda. 

Whoever told you it couldn't be pulled from the AGM Agenda. Just curious

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

Whoever told you it couldn't be pulled from the AGM Agenda. Just curious

A club director. I'm guessing the procedure is a tad unusual..

Quote

 The withdrawal of Resolution 7 does not otherwise affect the validity of the Notice of the Annual General Meeting, the Proxy Form or any proxy votes already submitted on other proposed Resolutions.  The numbering of all other proposed Resolutions at the Annual General Meeting will remain unchanged.

 

[Burnieman]

Quite astonishing from Maxwell;

“I get that everybody has a view on what the pyramid should look like,” Maxwell had said ahead of the vote. “Everybody looks at everything that happens in Scottish football through their ‘how-does-it-affect-me?’ glasses. That’s the reality. We’re trying to do the best thing for the national team because that’s got such a big impact on the game in this country. Our national team coaches are already seeing a significant improvement in the standard of those guys who have been playing in a B team against the ones who haven’t.”

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/celtic-hearts-and-rangers-blow-as-conference-league-vote-scrapped-despite-sfa-chiefs-self-interest-pleas-4170488

[Dunning1874]

5 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

Quite astonishing from Maxwell;

“I get that everybody has a view on what the pyramid should look like,” Maxwell had said ahead of the vote. “Everybody looks at everything that happens in Scottish football through their ‘how-does-it-affect-me?’ glasses. That’s the reality. We’re trying to do the best thing for the national team because that’s got such a big impact on the game in this country. Our national team coaches are already seeing a significant improvement in the standard of those guys who have been playing in a B team against the ones who haven’t.”

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/celtic-hearts-and-rangers-blow-as-conference-league-vote-scrapped-despite-sfa-chiefs-self-interest-pleas-4170488

Yeah, that's got to be a spectacular lie.

[Benidorm]

At the end of the day, whether a player plays for Rangers B or Berwick Rangers in the Lowland League it's not going to stop them finding the level which reflects their ability, which is much more likely to be Cove Rangers than ever getting a sniff of the Rangers first team, let alone having a noticeable impact. It's insincere horse shit with the real intention of giving the Old Firm a safety net if their voyage to some fantasy league elsewhere goes tits up.

Ian Maxwell is nothing but an unqualified patsy.

 

[Wile E Coyote]

3 minutes ago, Benidorm said:

At the end of the day, whether a player plays for Rangers B or Berwick Rangers in the Lowland League it's not going to stop them finding the level which reflects their ability, which is much more likely to be Cove Rangers than ever getting a sniff of the Rangers first team, let alone having a noticeable impact. It's insincere horse shit with the real intention of giving the Old Firm a safety net if their voyage to some fantasy league elsewhere goes tits up.

Ian Maxwell is nothing but an unqualified patsy.

 

Maxwell tells more lies than Schofield

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

1 hour ago, HorseyGhirl said:

The clubs who voted no. Tranent, Boness, East Stirlingshire, The Braves and whomever the other one was now need to be proactive and contact the 10 and, if their constitution allows, have another meeting regarding the b teams. 

Do Gers/Celts/Hearts honestly want to be in LL with no future plan in place now?

They never wanted to be in the Lowland League.

The Lowland Leaue has just been their vehicle to destablise the youth/reserve system in Scotland for their own ends. Their goal has always been to have B teams in the second tier.

[invergowrie arab]

12 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

Quite astonishing from Maxwell;

“I get that everybody has a view on what the pyramid should look like,” Maxwell had said ahead of the vote. “Everybody looks at everything that happens in Scottish football through their ‘how-does-it-affect-me?’ glasses. That’s the reality. We’re trying to do the best thing for the national team because that’s got such a big impact on the game in this country. Our national team coaches are already seeing a significant improvement in the standard of those guys who have been playing in a B team against the ones who haven’t.”

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/celtic-hearts-and-rangers-blow-as-conference-league-vote-scrapped-despite-sfa-chiefs-self-interest-pleas-4170488

Maybe the SSC can canvass people like me who are members and buy the season tickets to see if we want our league structure completely fucked up for some nebulous benefits to the men's team.

[Spyro]

26 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

Our national team coaches are already seeing a significant improvement in the standard of those guys who have been playing in a B team against the ones who haven’t.”

[Benidorm]

If the true purpose of this was developing players for European and International level, why not just put the B teams straight into the Premier League? This would surely then deliver the true barometer of whether these players are ever going to be capable of competing at an elite level?

Oh wait, we'd suddenly hear the crocodile tears from the pair of them about the credibility of competition being devalued, as they've been attempting to derail the whole time in the lower leagues.

[Spyro]

9 minutes ago, Benidorm said:

If the true purpose of this was developing players for European and International level, why not just put the B teams straight into the Premier League? This would surely then deliver the true barometer of whether these players are ever going to be capable of competing at an elite level?

Oh wait, we'd suddenly hear the crocodile tears from the pair of them about the credibility of competition being devalued, as they've been attempting to derail the whole time in the lower leagues.

If they had the authorisation to just enter a league wherever they wanted all along (as we've been told by some), then why didn't they fire a new Championship between tiers 1 and 2?

This would be a much better platform for these world class stars of the future to learn their trade. 

Oh wait... 

Edited June 5, 2023 by Spyro

[PastyMan]

6 minutes ago, Benidorm said:

If the true purpose of this was developing players for European and International level, why not just put the B teams straight into the Premier League? This would surely then deliver the true barometer of whether these players are ever going to be capable of competing at an elite level?

Oh wait, we'd suddenly hear the crocodile tears from the pair of them about the credibility of competition being devalued, as they've been attempting to derail the whole time in the lower leagues.

Or instead of B teams why not try putting put a Scotland Age group team into the Lowland League to play as a squad. Maybe U18s into Lowland League, U19s into L2 and U20s into L1. Not simply for the benefit of 1 or 2 individual clubs and all players (obviously) qualified to play for Scotland

[Pyramid Watcher]

40 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

Quite astonishing from Maxwell;

“I get that everybody has a view on what the pyramid should look like,” Maxwell had said ahead of the vote. “Everybody looks at everything that happens in Scottish football through their ‘how-does-it-affect-me?’ glasses. That’s the reality. We’re trying to do the best thing for the national team because that’s got such a big impact on the game in this country. Our national team coaches are already seeing a significant improvement in the standard of those guys who have been playing in a B team against the ones who haven’t.”

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/celtic-hearts-and-rangers-blow-as-conference-league-vote-scrapped-despite-sfa-chiefs-self-interest-pleas-4170488

Heads should roll for this, and that’s before we get round to pulling a vote because you know you will lose. Complete and utter incompetence from these shysters.

[Pyramid Watcher]

2 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said:

The clubs who voted no. Tranent, Boness, East Stirlingshire, The Braves and whomever the other one was now need to be proactive and contact the 10 and, if their constitution allows, have another meeting regarding the b teams. 

Do Gers/Celts/Hearts honestly want to be in LL with no future plan in place now?

100%, it only takes 3 clubs to propose it.

[101]

1 hour ago, Burnieman said:

Quite astonishing from Maxwell;

“I get that everybody has a view on what the pyramid should look like,” Maxwell had said ahead of the vote. “Everybody looks at everything that happens in Scottish football through their ‘how-does-it-affect-me?’ glasses. That’s the reality. We’re trying to do the best thing for the national team because that’s got such a big impact on the game in this country. Our national team coaches are already seeing a significant improvement in the standard of those guys who have been playing in a B team against the ones who haven’t.”

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/celtic-hearts-and-rangers-blow-as-conference-league-vote-scrapped-despite-sfa-chiefs-self-interest-pleas-4170488

Maxwell lying about this and he lied to the parliament about the cup final, does this guy just do his own thing or can he be given his marching orders.

 

ETA: I would actually revise the above.

Mathew Anderson of Celtic made 22 lowland league appearances for Celtic B this season and was in the U19s in September and is in the U21s national team announced in May, he turned 19 in January which may be the sole reason for his move up the age groups. However he makes up half the lowland league appearances of the newest U21 team with fellow Celt Ben Summers also having 22 appearances. The Rangers delegation to the U21s have been in senior teams for the 22/23 season Alloa and Rangers respectively. Ryan Duncan of Aberdeen has also progressed from U19s to U21s at the same rate as Anderson despite playing 0 minutes of B team football.

There are also twice as many, 8 players, from Scottish, non old firm, teams in the latest U21s squad compared to 4 Celtic and Rangers players. 

Therefore it would suggest the best young talent is actually more likely to come from not playing B team football than playing B team football.

The same is also true of the U19s team that was announced in September last year, 7 of the players were from Celtic or Rangers, 7 were from other Scottish teams the other 6 from England and German clubs.

Therefore if the coaches feel the players playing B team football are developing faster than those not playing it, it's not shown in squad selection, squad progression or improvement of Scotland age group results. Appreciate this is over a short period of time but you would have thought Maxwell would be able to point to examples.

Apologies massively off topic but seeing as the Scotsman's printed the story without digging into see if he was talking sense or nonsense thought it was worth a look into.

Edited June 5, 2023 by 101

[Dev]

1 hour ago, Benidorm said:

At the end of the day, whether a player plays for Rangers B or Berwick Rangers in the Lowland League it's not going to stop them finding the level which reflects their ability, which is much more likely to be Cove Rangers than ever getting a sniff of the Rangers first team, let alone having a noticeable impact. It's insincere horse shit with the real intention of giving the Old Firm a safety net if their voyage to some fantasy league elsewhere goes tits up.

Ian Maxwell is nothing but an unqualified patsy.

 

That's the whole point.

When the national squad is selected for a match it's picking around 22-25 players, maybe some more if it was a tournament finals at some time in the future! To achieve a successful first eleven you need the back up of other squad players as substitutes, etc. This means you need maybe 2 or 3 new players moving up to making the international standard in each year, and year in year out, so say around 30 players in 10 years.

The direct implication is that you are only looking for a very small number of talented players from each year group. The coaches know which ones coming through have any chance to reach that playing standard. They identify that at a very early age for each player. They don't suddenly produce the basic talent at 17 years of age.

This business about players improving if they played for B teams is completely irrelevant to the future success of any national team. it is completely bogus. Either the SFA Board understands that or they don't. Either way they let Maxwell spout this nonsense which has brought the SFA into what many may feel is disrepute. The whole lot should go now. 

Time for others who have an understanding of the game to come forward and to take over asap.