Salt n Vinegar Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Just seeing a speech by Harris. Wow. If she keeps that up, she's going to tear Trump a new one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Just seeing a speech by Harris. Wow. If she keeps that up, she's going to tear Trump a new one. Storming speech, next test will be a tough long interview. P.S. The whole launch was seamlessly professional, pitch perfect from the campaign boss, her husband, Biden (who they must have been shitting themselves about but did it perfectly), and Kamala managing to look natural, relaxed and not over rehearsed. Edited July 22 by welshbairn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Just heard a guy on CNN coming out with a good 'un, when he took a dig at Trump. He said that business prefers the rule of law to "the law of the ruler". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, velo army said: Being pro-choice isn't going to be enough of a vote winner… I think you’re wrong there. Especially as a number of States will have an abortion rights referendums on the ballot…deliberately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Harris is personable. Smiles a lot and is vibrant compared to curmudgeonly Trump. On the superficial level (which I assume sways some American votes) she's clearly ahead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 6 minutes ago, bigmarv said: German Christmas cake? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Being reported that Harris has raised $81 million in donations already 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 15 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Being reported that Harris has raised $81 million in donations already Add in another $150m pledged from major donors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 14 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Being reported that Harris has raised $81 million in donations already And not big donors either - more than 880,000 donors with less than $200 donations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Just now, MONKMAN said: Add in another $150m pledged from major donors. And Biden's $96 million. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 9 hours ago, velo army said: This isn't the Dems strong suit at all. If social media is any indication (and it may not be a reliable one) they'll once again run this on identitarian grounds (while also railing against Harris being defined by her race and gender by detractors) and her not being Trump. That'll be it. What does Harris believe in or care about? Being pro-choice isn't going to be enough of a vote winner and I don't think she has any left-wing economic leanings to speak of, so where does the inspiration aside from her skin colour and gender (and not being Trump) come from? With respect, I think that's a wee bit simplistic. For a start, Harris now looks almost certain to be the Presidential candidate this time and that in itself will require much more than an identitarian approach. Secondly, the abortion issue is a huge problem for the Republicans, as they have quietly but dogmatically marched into quicksand across any number of states. Thirdly, a decent pick of prospective VP could be a very significant factor, politically and personally. Vance is already coming across as a cardboard cutout who failed his audition for the A-Team and that needs amplified. We don't have to like Harris or her perceived lack of policies, but when you look at the alternative it fairly concentrates the mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 11 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Time isn't on the Dems side here but if they focus hard on issues that animate the public and will likely hurt the Republicans then Harris and whoever can start to gain early traction. The last year has shown abortion to be one such issue and in that regard it's good that Biden's faith will no longer be a factor in the conversation. This is going to be the most negative campaign in history - polices will not come into it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 7 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Thirdly, a decent pick of prospective VP could be a very significant factor, politically and personally. Vance is already coming across as a cardboard cutout who failed his audition for the A-Team and that needs amplified. I’ve only found out today that Vance apparently confessed in ‘Hillbilly Elegy’ that as a younger man he was fond of putting an inside-out latex glove between two couch cushions and sticking some Marvin Gaye on. I’m now at a loss to see how the guy passed vettting for…well…anything. It was apparently a best seller, did loads of people buy it and just not bother their arse reading it? Anyway, on the identitarian approach it does strike me that 6’2 Andy Beshear is exactly that type of person you’d want in front of a camera shaking hands with a 5’7 sofa shagger. If, indeed, Beshear agrees that he’s up to date on all his inoculations and is OK to shake hands with Vance. Ew. ETA - it’s apparently fake news. Ah well. Would be a shame if it kept getting traction. Edited July 23 by carpetmonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: This is going to be the most negative campaign in history - polices will not come into it. The more Harris concentrates on policy and continues to project a 'presidential' stance, the more (!) unhinged Trump will become. I can imagine his rants and personal attacks veering off into such deluded rubbish that his support will soon consist of just his nutter gang. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 29 minutes ago, Dan Steele said: The more Harris concentrates on policy and continues to project a 'presidential' stance, the more (!) unhinged Trump will become. I can imagine his rants and personal attacks veering off into such deluded rubbish that his support will soon consist of just his nutter gang. Yes, it would be better if his nutter gang wasn't about 70 million strong though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dan Steele said: The more Harris concentrates on policy and continues to project a 'presidential' stance, the more (!) unhinged Trump will become. I can imagine his rants and personal attacks veering off into such deluded rubbish that his support will soon consist of just his nutter gang. His rant yesterday about "crooked Biden" has to be the most lacking in self-awareness ever. The Republicans campaign will be vitriolic, based on lies and innuendo - the Democrats may well have some policy focus to their campaign but I'd bet my bottom dollar they will go after Trump on the basis of his character, the convictions and all the other lies he's told. The people who decide this election won't be the political zealots but the swing voters - women in particular are going to be a key group in thus election. You would hope that the more the Democrats attack, the more unhinged Trump becomes. Edited July 23 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 22 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Speaking of "experts" I've just checked that font of all knowledge... Bet365. They have Trump 1/2, Harris 2/1. It'll be interesting to see if the odds change in the coming days. Odds aren't predictions, especially in US presidential elections. They're driven as much by money as by assessment of probability, and Trumpists are both stupid and more likely to put money on their guy than other voters. A lot of us here made a killing off these halfwits in 2020, as they drove the odds up on states like Georgia even when it was clear they were already gone. The odds have changed, Harris was 9/4 on Sunday and is under 2/1 now, but that's presumably driven by the atmosphere of despair around the Democrats being lifted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 5 minutes ago, GordonS said: Odds aren't predictions, especially in US presidential elections. They're driven as much by money as by assessment of probability, and Trumpists are both stupid and more likely to put money on their guy than other voters. A lot of us here made a killing off these halfwits in 2020, as they drove the odds up on states like Georgia even when it was clear they were already gone. The odds have changed, Harris was 9/4 on Sunday and is under 2/1 now, but that's presumably driven by the atmosphere of despair around the Democrats being lifted. If it looks like going the same way as last time it'll be worth holding on while the early in person votes go in favour of Trump before lumping on Harris, in anticipation of the postal votes going her way. The odds shifted a fair bit in the first few hours of the count, as I'm sure you remember. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 You're better looking at the Democrat v Republican win odds if you can find them rather than Trump v Harris atm as Harris hasn't been confirmed yet, so that will be factored in. Albeit she's pretty short to win the nomination. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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