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Replays in the Scottish Cup (little fuss compared to down south when they disappeared)


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I note the recent negative reaction when the powers-that-be announced the end of replays in all rounds of the EFA Cup.

Up here, we just seemed to drift away from them following Covid, without any real fuss or objections.

It then got me thinking that Scottish Cup replays offered some memorable occasions.  Even in recent times, AFC won midweekers under the lights at Ibrox and twice at Rugby Park following home draws (in more ways than one).

I have no issue with penalties to settle a one-off League Cup tie, but replays were something that differentiated the Scottish Cup.  Tough away draw, but do enough to get them back to your place.

Clearly the European fixture list isn't too compatible with extra domestic cup matches, but more often than not these fixtures are pre-christmas. Was the demise of replays just another example of helping a couple of clubs to the detriment of everyone else?

 

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I think it’s definitely a different dynamic between Scotland and England in this regard. This is only my view, but up here, a genuinely wee club who makes it to a round where the big teams come in, actively prays for the uglies away - if they’re thinking nothing more than money and an inevitable scudding. I don’t think their mindset is, if they drew an ugly at home, ‘get a draw here for a money spinning replay’. Maybe a wee club up here, if they can’t get an ugly away, would take Hearts or Hibs, maybe Aberdeen, as the ‘next best thing’.

Down there, no need to list the clubs who, if a genuinely wee club got them away, would be great from a money aspect - never mind your ‘Big 6’, throw in your Newcastle Utds, West Hams, and so on. Christ, drawing Leeds United or Leicester away would be great for a wee diddy down there. If they got a Leeds, Leicester, or Everton say at home, a smaller club there would likely fancy their chances too, as the big clubs down there seem to rest a lot of first team players. They can sniff taking a big club back to a big Championship or Premier League stadium.

Just my opinion. 

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You used to get some mental sagas in the FA Cup. I seem to remember Everton being involved in a tie that took in something daft like five replays. Everyone just heartsick of the whole thing by the time it's over.

During harsh winters we'd also have the daft scenario of games being called off multiple times. Wasn't there an early-stage Scottish Cup game in the Eighties that had something like thirty postponements? I seem to remember Huntly being involved, and it made the national news in England when it was finally played.

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4 minutes ago, BFTD said:

You used to get some mental sagas in the FA Cup. I seem to remember Everton being involved in a tie that took in something daft like five replays. Everyone just heartsick of the whole thing by the time it's over.

During harsh winters we'd also have the daft scenario of games being called off multiple times. Wasn't there an early-stage Scottish Cup game in the Eighties that had something like thirty postponements? I seem to remember Huntly being involved, and it made the national news in England when it was finally played.

Inverness Thistle v Falkirk, 1979. 29 postponements.

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1 minute ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

Inverness Thistle v Falkirk, 1979. 29 postponements.

Mental. I'm too young to remember that, so there must have been something similar during the Eighties. I can remember Trevor MacDonald using it as the final "here's something funny to finish on" story one night.

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1 hour ago, BFTD said:

Mental. I'm too young to remember that, so there must have been something similar during the Eighties. I can remember Trevor MacDonald using it as the final "here's something funny to finish on" story one night.

Ross County V Meadowbank in maybe late eighties early nineties had 11 postponements.

 

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It used to be two replays and nobody batted an eyelid about it.

1st game - 90 minutes. If drawn - 

2nd game - 90 minutes and extra time. If drawn - 

3rd game (neutral) - 90 minutes, extra time and penalties.

Can remember a live televised Aberdeen v Celtic tie which ended 2-2. Replay was 0-0 a.e.t. and 3rd game was at Dens Park, which Celtic won 1-0.

 

Think the only time Morton ever had this was in the mid 70s, when we beat Raith 1-0 at Tynecastle after 2-2 and 0-0 draws..

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The above isn't quite correct - penalties were introduced to the cup in 1989/90 specifically to prevent games going to more than one replay.

There used to be unlimited replays in the Scottish Cup, basically it was replayed over and over again until the tie was complete. The third (or fourth, fifth etc) game wasn't necessarily at a neutral venue - the clubs could choose instead agree to toss a coin for the venue and host it at one of their own stadiums, presumably because this would lead to a bigger crowd and no cost for renting a neutral ground.

There were ties that went to four matches - for example Killie v Partick Thistle in 1982/83, which had draws at Firhill, Rugby Park and Firhill, before Thistle eventually won 1-0 at Rugby Park. The second replay would often take place a day or two after the first, and crowds would naturally start to dwindle, so I don't think it's fair to say that nobody batted an eyelid, when you look at newspapers of the time it was considered a bit farcical by the 80s and that's why it was scrapped.

The last tie to go to two replays was a 4th Round game between Aberdeen and Dundee United in 1988/89 - United eventually won it with a Mixu Paatelainen goal in the 82nd minute of the third game at Tannadice. The following season, penalty shoot-outs were introduced at the end of the first replay. The first shoot-out saw Killie lose to Stranraer in the 2nd Round after two draws.

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After the inaugural edition, for the first decade of the cup a drawn replay saw both sides progress to the next round.

Briefly in late 1940s there were no replays, due to fuel emergency and bans on midweek football (instead they played on until somebody scored: Hibs v Motherwell in SF of 1947 lasted 7mins into 4th half of extra-time).

Most replayed tie came in R1 of 1908-09... with only a fortnight between rounds back then it meant an especially heavy schedule:

Sat 23 Jan 1909      Broxburn 1-1 Beith
Sat 30 Jan 1909      Beith 0-0 Broxburn                  replay
Wed 3 Feb 1909     Beith 1-1 Broxburn (aet)      2nd replay (at Ibrox)
Thu 4 Feb 1909       Beith 1-1 Broxburn (aet)      3rd replay (at Ibrox)
Fri 5 Feb 1909          Beith 4-2 Broxburn                 4th replay (at Love Street)


No doubt knackered Beith lost 3-0 at St Mirren in R2 the next day (maybe they just stayed in Paisley from the day before?).

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In 1968 (I thihk) ,Dons v Pars was postponed on the Saturday, played on Monday (2~2). Replay the next day, which Dons won 2~0. The late Ally Shewan broke a toe in the first game and played in the replay..

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On 30/05/2024 at 12:34, A Diamond For Me said:

I think we had a similar thing with a tie against Stranraer, maybe in the 70s.

Was rearranged 33 times before it finally got played in 62-63. Was a question on The Chase recently!

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On 30/05/2024 at 21:19, AyrshireTon said:

It used to be two replays and nobody batted an eyelid about it.

1st game - 90 minutes. If drawn - 

2nd game - 90 minutes and extra time. If drawn - 

3rd game (neutral) - 90 minutes, extra time and penalties.

Can remember a live televised Aberdeen v Celtic tie which ended 2-2. Replay was 0-0 a.e.t. and 3rd game was at Dens Park, which Celtic won 1-0.

 

Think the only time Morton ever had this was in the mid 70s, when we beat Raith 1-0 at Tynecastle after 2-2 and 0-0 draws..

Rangers v Hibs Cup Final 1979 took three games to decide.

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I always felt that a drawn game was an anticlimax so I was delighted when replays were scrapped. Now I'd like extra time to be scapped too as it is rarely eventful. Penalties at the end of 90 minutes please.

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5 hours ago, craigkillie said:

Let's just decide the entire cup by penalty shoot-outs, no need to play actual football at any point.

To be fair lots of clubs subscribe to the last part of your point

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