NotThePars Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: I’ve met Neil Bibby and he was alright, although he’s a complete nobody so your point still stands. Aye I'm sure some of them are quite personable in private and that but Lennon seems quite well regarded, has been the name behind a recently passed universally approved bill, and crucially has attracted the ire of Wings at some point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Sarwar at evens looks a bet. Too soon for Lennon, Murray won't give up his Westminster seat, the rest are either clownshoes or nobodys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Aye I'm sure some of them are quite personable in private and that but Lennon seems quite well regarded, has been the name behind a recently passed universally approved bill, and crucially has attracted the ire of Wings at some point.The limited experience I have of meeting MSPs at committee level, they, in the main, mostly seem decent, pragmatic, able and willing to engage with issues, irrespective of party.The issue is the party - as soon as a meeting concludes the party line and mantra takes over again. The problem Labour have is their party line has been best served with a glass of kool aid for a good few years now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Sarwar is an absolute snake - if you shook hands with the man, you'd count your fingers afterwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Sarwar at evens looks a bet. Too soon for Lennon, Murray won't give up his Westminster seat, the rest are either clownshoes or nobodys. It's just hit me how I know more about American politics than I do my own country, hardly know any of them. Is there not a chance that Murray might be fed up with the pointless job of shadow Scotland Secretary and realises he's going to stay there until Labour get another Scottish MP, which looks like a long time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's just hit me how I know more about American politics than I do my own country, hardly know any of them. Is there not a chance that Murray might be fed up with the pointless job of shadow Scotland Secretary and realises he's going to stay there until Labour get another Scottish MP, which looks like a long time? Nope. He's got a good grip on the party's attitude towards Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Nope. He's got a good grip on the party's attitude towards Scotland. But does he ever get invited to important cabinet meetings, except the photo op ones where everyone gets in? Must be a bit humiliating if he's after the limelight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: But does he ever get invited to important cabinet meetings, except the photo op ones where everyone gets in? Must be a bit humiliating if he's after the limelight. I'm not sure. That article basically saying him and Baillie and that lectured Rayner on what the script was with Leonard suggests that he has some clout. The party at large haven't the faintest clue what to do about Scotland. There's a serious contingent of members who think Murray and Baillie should be listened to because of their constituency success. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 This 'the problem is that people just don't know the Labour Party are unionists' hot take (Jack McConnell's drinking buddy on Newsnight this evening) is sumptuous. Jackie Baillie or Anas Sarwar trying to outstaunch the Tories for the '50-75 Rangers fan vote' while leaving the rest of the electorate alone sounds like a sure-fire winner. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Sarwar at evens looks a bet. Too soon for Lennon, Murray won't give up his Westminster seat, the rest are either clownshoes or nobodys. Facebook lobby page United against separation ( except the EU) are backing Sarwar. I've his cousin on my FB page. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, NotThePars said: I'm not sure. That article basically saying him and Baillie and that lectured Rayner on what the script was with Leonard suggests that he has some clout. The party at large haven't the faintest clue what to do about Scotland. There's a serious contingent of members who think Murray and Baillie should be listened to because of their constituency success. Is there anyone you think might have a chance outside Sarwar, Ballie and Lennon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Is there anyone you think might have a chance outside Sarwar, Ballie and Lennon? I've not been paying attention but Jenny Marra was the type I thought would reach at least dep. leader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Is there anyone you think might have a chance outside Sarwar, Ballie and Lennon? I don't think Lennon will run. Sarwar was Leonard's only challenger last time and it was really timing that cost him more than anything. With Baillie fairly soundly beating Kerr and most of the Corbynistas either leaving or falling in line there's no real bloc to coalesce around someone else and no ideas other than rampant unionism. I don't want Lennon to run either. She's a decent enough MSP that shouldn't take that job and all the shite it entails. She's not going to do Wightman levels of good shit where she is but she can probably do better without having to age 10,000 years dealing with Sarwar and Baillie's pettiness. Edited January 14, 2021 by NotThePars 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Sarwar or Lennon will be much better than Leonard, Murray would be some laugh I'm sure. Pleased with the news today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Sarwar will get it and the electorate will hate him. That said he is such a snake he is the one I have always thought I could see backing Indy once he sees which way the wind is blowing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 It feels like people have been saying that Sarwar will be their next leader for absolute donkey's years at this point, so I'm surprised to see that he only seems to have run for the leadership once before. That's some list of former leaders, by the way. An inspiring selection. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 28 minutes ago, BFTD said: It feels like people have been saying that Sarwar will be their next leader for absolute donkey's years at this point, so I'm surprised to see that he only seems to have run for the leadership once before. That's some list of former leaders, by the way. An inspiring selection. How does predictive text change ‘shite’ to ‘inspiring’? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Surely most of them will want to avoid it at the moment, as none of them want to be at the top when they take a record drubbing in the upcoming election. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/01/how-not-to-save-scottish-labour?fbclid=IwAR29UBh0KJK7BTeYzaUXfO1O4KGcdOUqEjMId59Tg9oZFttwXawRfdOXrsw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 37 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Surely most of them will want to avoid it at the moment, as none of them want to be at the top when they take a record drubbing in the upcoming election. People like Sarwar, Baillie and Murray believe if Labour revert back to new Labour then everyone will flock back to voting for them again. They want to get away from the Corbyn image just like Starmer is trying to do in England and be more like Tony Blair Labour. Labour in Scotland will do the same except they will throw a couple of new, irrelevant powers to the Scottish parliament and claim it's devo max super plus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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