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1 hour ago, Claudia Gentile said:

 

I don't think there's anyone alive who writes as they speak - or speaks how they write - than Ronay. His contributions to Football Weekly are just empty contrarion questions delivered like he's solved the meaning of life.

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1 hour ago, Dunfermline Don said:

I see the Southgate situation as similar to McIness at Aberdeen.

He stabilised them and brought the team almost within reach of a bigger prize, but couldn’t quite get over the finishing line. Discontent among a section of the fanbase demanding a change.

Whether England will now get a new manager every year remains to be seen though. 

I think you're spot on. All the way down to forcing square pegs into round holes and trying to play a certain way when the players obviously fit a different system.

 

I'd still have Derek take over from Clarke when the time comes though.

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I actually think Southgate has done a fantastic, but not quite spectacular job. 

Its very obvious that he's created a real team ethos and the players have a togetherness that the likes of the previous generation(s) never managed. His comments on entitlement, expectation etc. ahead of the Switzerland game also suggest to me that he "gets it" when it comes to the English media and the worst elements of their support. 

Football wise, it's very hard to argue with qualification at a canter, two Euro finals, coming within penalties of a trophy in one and in the other losing to a late goal to a very, very good Spain team. 

Obviously he gets criticism for the team not being "exciting" but international football is a results game first and foremost. I also think being England manager is "damned if you do, damned if you don't" and you'll get pelters regardless - if he'd dropped Kane and Bellingham and they'd lost we all know he'd have been pilloried for dropping the superstars, even by people who'd been calling for him to do just that. 

I don't blame him from walking away from what must be one of the most thankless jobs in football but equally the English media, and some of their fans, might find that they should have been more careful with what they wished for... 

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1 hour ago, Dunfermline Don said:

I see the Southgate situation as similar to McIness at Aberdeen.

He stabilised them and brought the team almost within reach of a bigger prize, but couldn’t quite get over the finishing line. Discontent among a section of the fanbase demanding a change.

Whether England will now get a new manager every year remains to be seen though. 

If they appoint Glass, Goodwin or Robson next I would be happy.

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1 minute ago, KirkieRR said:

On the JustTheTalk boards they are screaming for Klopp. Aye, right, keep wishing, lads.

And pep. Surely neither would want that? Pep is a Catalan nationalist so he probably doesn’t care much about Spain .

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29 minutes ago, KirkieRR said:

On the JustTheTalk boards they are screaming for Klopp. Aye, right, keep wishing, lads.

I don’t actually think he’d do a particularly good job given the limited time he’d have with players to get his points across.

He’s recently turned down stuff so he can have a break from football, has he not?

As I said, Frank Lampard for me. I want them finishing behind Paraguay and Senegal at the next World Cup, and he’s the man to do it. 

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The Scouse Not English crew would either go mad if Klopp took the England job, or overlay their socialist principles on the national team support.   Whilst it could be interesting, I loved Klopp at Liverpool and would not want him anywhere near the job because of the hassle.

Good look to Southgate and I hope his agent steps up.  Plenty of telly work out there.

Let's see who this miracle-worker is who can, as they say, take us to the "next level".

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2 hours ago, Thumper said:

It's a belter. That it gets better every two years is the icing on the cake. I hope it causes literal bleeding pain to Skinner and Baddiel every time they hear it.

Southgate leaving is terrible news for them. For all his reputation as a cardigan, he somehow managed to keep a lid on them for long enough that people grew to think they'd changed somehow. Whoever they get in next will either clamp down on the egos and have them in open mutiny, or let them do what they want and get them pumped senseless by any side that isn't overawed by them.

You know the funniest thing about it.... The line "30 years of Hurt" is in there because 30 years feels like a long time for them....

 

And by the absolute earliest next opportunity for them to put that right, it will have doubled 🤣🤣🤣

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On 13/07/2024 at 10:58, Monkey Tennis said:

If that front page is real, then The National is guilty of that maddening thing of conflating the notions of Britishness and Englishness.  There's an irony in there.

Scottish people, as well as others from the UK, are, in my experience guilty of all the items in that list of things English people do.

Seconded !

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