Madeleine Mccann Missing Girl

[DukDukGoose]

23 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Yes, but you dismiss the thought that it could be anyone but Gerry. Because you really, really, really want it to be him.

I mean I really, really, really want it to be him as that's the least grim of the realistic options.

[Sortmeout]

4 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

I mean I really, really, really want it to be him as that's the least grim of the realistic options.

Is it? 

[DukDukGoose]

1 minute ago, Sortmeout said:

Is it? 

I think an accidental death and disposal by the parents is less grim than snatched by a paedo/trafficked, yes.

[Alternative Title]

Does anybody know what the process will be, if German police decide Christian B did it? Can they press charges in Germany, or is it just a case of passing information to PJ. Presumably any trial in Portugal would have to wait until he finishes his time in Germany.
You'd think that, nearly a week on, they would be close to making an arrest.  

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Alternative Title said:

Does anybody know what the process will be, if German police decide Christian B did it? Can they press charges in Germany, or is it just a case of passing information to PJ. Presumably any trial in Portugal would have to wait until he finishes his time in Germany.
You'd think that, nearly a week on, they would be close to making an arrest.  

They'd charge him in Germany. I'd expect the Portuguese to leave them to it. They've said that without a body they don't have enough to charge him with at the moment and are asking for information from the public. I doubt that is likely to change in the near future. He's in German prison at the moment for a rape committed in Portugal and is unlikely to be going anywhere soon.

Edited June 10, 2020 by welshbairn

[Jacksgranda]

On 10/09/2007 at 09:53, Guest Ron Burgundy said:

According to the newspaper Sol, the friends' account is as follows:

6pm The McCanns collect Madeleine and their twin siblings from the creche at the Ocean Club

7.30 The three children are put to bed

8.30 Kate and Gerry McCann arrive at the tapas restaurant

8.45 Family friends Russell O'Brien, a doctor from Exeter, and Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, a doctor and recruitment consultant from London, arrive

8.55 David and Fiona Payne, both doctors from Leicester, arrive

9.00 Gerry McCann goes to check on his children

9.05 Mr McCann is returning to the table when he runs into Jeremy Wilkins, an English TV producer whom he befriended on the tennis courts, and the pair chat in the street just outside the McCann's apartment

9.10 Jane Tanner, Mr O'Brien's partner, is coming late to the dinner, one of their children having been sick, when she sees a man walking away from the McCann's apartment with a child over his shoulder. She tells police that she passed directly alongside Mr McCann and Mr Wilkins; the latter tells police he saw neither her nor the mysterious man.

so we are to believe both the father and a friend were standing outside the apartment talking as someone broke in took the child and escaped through a window with no-one else seeing other than this woman?

9.25 Gerry McCann returns to the restaurant. Mr Oldfield leaves to check on his own children

spends 15 mins chatting to a guy he met on a tennis court right outside the apartment and we are meant to believe the little girl was targetted by someone, well what kind of fucking idiot child snatcher, with the logistical knowledge to sneak a child out of a country would watch children being checked every 5 mins and still press ahead with a snatch?

9.30 Mr Oldfield goes to the McCann's apartment; he doesn't raise any suspicions at the time but later says that he noticed there was more light in the apartment. Russell O'Brien leaves at the same time, to discover that his daughter is vomiting

Why did he go to their apartment, what possible reason would he have for just passing by and noticing there was more light in the apartment?

9.35 Mr Oldfield returns to the table

9.55 Mr O'Brien returns

10.00 Kate McCann goes to the apartment and discovers that her daughter has gone. She returns to the restaurant and raises the alarm.

Someones lying about that night and they seem to have kept that woman pretty quiet since.

 

On 10/09/2007 at 11:21, Guest Captain Saintsible said:

Let me get this straight. They had their kids in a creche and then they put them to bed at 7.30pm??

Did they spend any time with their kids on this holiday?

I've seen Div mention that we've all done things that maybe left our kids unsafe - and I can agree to this to an extent. But the thought of putting your kids to bed at 7.30pm and then going out for dinner - and doing this night after night - is just not something that I could ever contemplate - not do I find it plausible that I could get a 4 year old to happliy go to bed and to sleep at 7.30pm in the evening while on holiday!

As I've said before, my own 3 year old (in fact she was still 2 when we were on holiday) was still running about after midnight full of life. I can also remember when we first went abroad with my son when he was 4 - there is no way that he would easily or happily gone to bed at 7.30pm.

And leaving aside the fact that I find it incerdibly hard to believe that a 4 year old would easily go to sleep so early in the evening - what is the point in having kids and going on holiday with them if you are just going to stick them in a creche and then put them to bed early every night so you can go off for dinner with your friends?

For me and my wife - having the kids out with us at night is great fun - we like to be with our children (even though our son is a real handful). At the apartments we were at everyone with kids had them out at night - and it didn't stop all enjoying ourselves, eating, drinking and socialising.

Putting your kids in a creche and then putting them in bed early all stinks of incredible selfishness to me.

 

[The Moonster]

Without wanting to draw the ire of throbber again, Jane Tanner and Mr O'Brien are fucking shite parents as well.

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Without wanting to draw the ire of throbber again, Jane Tanner and Mr O'Brien are fucking shite parents as well.

I get the impression that the inconsistency in their testimony's was partly due to them not willing to admit even to themselves what shite parents they were. Although if they were consistent that would be even more suspicious, they would be bound to remember things slightly differently and at different times, after remembering new things and talking to each other. 

[MONKMAN]

Do people actually believe the McCann's killed their kid, then in a panic stashed her in the bushes.  After several weeks/months later, sneaked off and disposed of the body in their hire car while being literally the most watched people on the planet?  That their friends were somehow in on the whole thing, and have spent the last decade covering for them.  

Surely humans don't actually think this happened and they're just trying to wind people up on the internet?

[welshbairn]

12 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Do people actually believe the McCann's killed their kid, then in a panic stashed her in the bushes.  After several weeks/months later, sneaked off and disposed of the body in their hire car while being literally the most watched people on the planet?  That their friends were somehow in on the whole thing, and have spent the last decade covering for them.  

Surely humans don't actually think this happened and they're just trying to wind people up on the internet?

But but, the dogs barked!

[Alternative Title]

12 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Do people actually believe the McCann's killed their kid, then in a panic stashed her in the bushes.  After several weeks/months later, sneaked off and disposed of the body in their hire car while being literally the most watched people on the planet?  That their friends were somehow in on the whole thing, and have spent the last decade covering for them.  

Surely humans don't actually think this happened and they're just trying to wind people up on the internet?

It's a fallacy that they were the most watched people on the planet. Media interest died down, and moved on, particularly when Kate and Gerry decided to go on their European tour to promote the fact that, er, there wasn't enough media attention on the case.
Surely you are aware of all the written material from reputable sources, as well as the official Portuguese Police files on the investigation, which are all available on the internet? They've been mentioned on here enough times now.

[welshbairn]

The cadaver dog examining the McCann hire car, with a completely neutral handler giving absolutely no signals away.

 

 

[welshbairn]

11 minutes ago, Alternative Title said:

It's a fallacy that they were the most watched people on the planet. Media interest died down, and moved on, particularly when Kate and Gerry decided to go on their European tour to promote the fact that, er, there wasn't enough media attention on the case.
Surely you are aware of all the written material from reputable sources, as well as the official Portuguese Police files on the investigation, which are all available on the internet? They've been mentioned on here enough times now.

Presumably you could narrow down the 11,000 odd pages to answer his points directly? Anyone questioning the McCanns dumped the body narrative gets this response.

[Jambomo]

34 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Do people actually believe the McCann's killed their kid, then in a panic stashed her in the bushes.  After several weeks/months later, sneaked off and disposed of the body in their hire car while being literally the most watched people on the planet?  That their friends were somehow in on the whole thing, and have spent the last decade covering for them.  

Surely humans don't actually think this happened and they're just trying to wind people up on the internet?

I don’t know about your story here but the police certainly thought they had killed her, they have changed their statements and refused to answer questions. 
 

They may or may not have killed her, the bottom line is nobody knows at all what happened. It’s hardly the stuff of fantasy as you are trying to make out here.

[NotThePars]

44 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Do people actually believe the McCann's killed their kid, then in a panic stashed her in the bushes.  After several weeks/months later, sneaked off and disposed of the body in their hire car while being literally the most watched people on the planet?  That their friends were somehow in on the whole thing, and have spent the last decade covering for them.  

Surely humans don't actually think this happened and they're just trying to wind people up on the internet?

I feel like there's an enormous space between "hmm there's a few unanswered questions and the parents are acting a bit shifty and suspicious" to "this definitely means they murdered their own daughter, disposed of the evidence and raked in millions for over a decade."

[19QOS19]

Watching that last Netflix documentary pretty much confirmed for me they didn't murder her. That's not to say I'm not 100% confident they don't know what happened to her. Regardless, they were still horribly neglectful of the poor girl.

[Mark Connolly]

Throbber's posts over the last 48 hours read like a desperate attempt to justify past or future crimes.

[welshbairn]

18 minutes ago, Jambomo said:

I don’t know about your story here but the police certainly thought they had killed her, they have changed their statements and refused to answer questions. 

Bit of a strong claim there, anything to back it up? I suspect the refusal to answer questions was to do with being accused of child abandonment, or neglect, whatever the Portuguese law is. The lead detective was certainly focused on that.

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Asked if he felt wronged by the McCann’s legal action against him, Amaral insisted the parents were primarily responsible for their daughter’s disappearance because “they practiced a crime of exposing and abandoning defenceless children. The fact that they lost their daughter did not give them the right to sue anyone or to be compensated,” he said.

“They can’t escape their guilt, which is enough to rob them of their sleep, to provoke a lack of appetite and even rage, but against themselves and not against someone who only wrote down what happened during the first five months of the investigation, according to what is in the case files.”

That Madeleine’s younger siblings may someday read his book and become traumatised by it did not concern him, he said.

“Those two children were also abandoned for over five nights in a row and surely they will understand that what is written there is the result of a criminal investigation. There is a question that those two children will certainly ask when they grow up ,but that question will be directed at the parents: why were they abandoned, left to their own devices?”

 https://algarvedailynews.com/news/cases/madeleine-mccann/5626-amaral-defiant-about-his-maddie-book

[Alternative Title]

43 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

Throbber's posts over the last 48 hours read like a desperate attempt to justify past or future crimes.

Or discourage people from contributing by using offensiveness instead of evidence.

[Sortmeout]

5 hours ago, Merkland Red said:

I think an accidental death and disposal by the parents is less grim than snatched by a paedo/trafficked, yes.

Ah you’ve now said accidental death instead of just killed by the dad.