Rugby Union

[stanton]

1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said:

As in Scotland tbf.

Re. The ref shite, we were 17 3 up and a kick to the corner. The Scotland rugby team fucked it up. Noone else.. Really thought we had turned corner last week, what a massive chance blown. I can see England beating France, we would have had a triple crown game against Ireland and a real chance of a championship.
But we fucked it all up..

Absolutely. , don't understand why they where turning down opportunities for points when we where in front of the posts . Keep the scoreboard turning over get the game won , then play rugby. 

[GordonS]

4 minutes ago, Left Back said:

I’d think a lot of people in Scotland have been apathetic to the Lions for a while.  With so few Scots being picked in the last few tours (rightly or wrongly) you can understand why.  They don’t represent us.  During the last tour they even dragged a few of our guys from Australia to fill out the mid week bench which I certainly wasn’t impressed with.  If I’d been one of those players I’d far rather have stayed with Scotland than be a bench filler for Gatland.

Even if there were 4,5,6 Scots in the starting line up I don't think I'd care about anything other than them. I don't have a preference for English, Welsh or Irish players over South African, Australian or Kiwi. And I think it's embarrassing that we need to put together four teams to take them on. A Northern Hemisphere v Southern Hemisphere series might be good fun, or a 6 Nations v Rugby Championship, but it's still just an exhibition.

It bugs me that it's talked about so much too, for about 2 years before each tour. What do we think the players would rather achieve, a starting place with the Lions or win a Six Nations?

I'm a bit jaded with non-competitive internationals though, more than half of international matches are friendlies and that's just weird. I was really hoping they'd pull together that World League-type thing but they scuppered it by trying to screw over the tier 2 nations. 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

2 hours ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said:

That's your Scottish forwards blacklisted from the Lions btw

I'm pretty sure that Gary 'I'll concede a penalty every 5 minutes' Graham has blown his chances. 

 

44 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

1 hour ago, Left Back said:

Well that was gutting.  We weren’t very good but would still have had enough to beat a dreadful Welsh team until Carley got going.
it’s all well and good saying don’t give away penalties but when the opposition are getting away with murder what chance do you have?
Stick on we lose to France and Ireland now.  Another false dawn.

Please don't blame the ref

Carley was fucking awful from start to finish, and made the game all about him. But he's not unique in that as an international rugby referee. 

Rugby refereeing is all about interpretation....much so than football. It's up to the teams involved to quickly adapt to the referee. 

Scotland simply didn't do that today, and Wales played him very well for the whole 80 minutes. 

[John Lambies Doos]

Carley was fucking awful from start to finish, and made the game all about him. But he's not unique in that as an international rugby referee. 
Rugby refereeing is all about interpretation....much so than football. It's up to the teams involved to quickly adapt to the referee. 
Scotland simply didn't do that today, and Wales played him very well for the whole 80 minutes. 

Ffs lads... Ref didn't beat us, Wales didn't beat us, we beat ourselves

[The_Kincardine]

4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

31 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Carley was fucking awful from start to finish, and made the game all about him. But he's not unique in that as an international rugby referee. 
Rugby refereeing is all about interpretation....much so than football. It's up to the teams involved to quickly adapt to the referee. 
Scotland simply didn't do that today, and Wales played him very well for the whole 80 minutes. 

Ffs lads... Ref didn't beat us, Wales didn't beat us, we beat ourselves

That was such a hard watch and you're absolutely right, mate.

[Distant Doonhamer]

Some absolutely awful decision making by Scotland today. Threw the game away.

[Blootoon87]

Lads, it's only rugby.

[peasy23]

Some absolutely awful decision making by Scotland today. Threw the game away.

I haven't a clue what Price was trying to do with that attempted kick through late on, you just keep going through the phases and hope we get a penalty or somebody makes a good line break. Cost us 70 metres of territory.

[Distant Doonhamer]

I haven't a clue what Price was trying to do with that attempted kick through late on, you just keep going through the phases and hope we get a penalty or somebody makes a good line break. Cost us 70 metres of territory.

Absolutely this. It wasn’t by any means the only example of poor decision making

[peasy23]

Absolutely this. It wasn’t by any means the only example of poor decision making

Definitely not, that was just one that sprung to mind coming at a critical point in the game.

[Distant Doonhamer]

Lads, it's only rugby.

I actually agree with that. Had the game today been a football match I’d be majorly pissed off for days. It’s irritating but as you say it’s only rugby.

[BucksburnDandy]

Carley was fucking awful from start to finish, and made the game all about him. But he's not unique in that as an international rugby referee. 
Rugby refereeing is all about interpretation....much so than football. It's up to the teams involved to quickly adapt to the referee. 
Scotland simply didn't do that today, and Wales played him very well for the whole 80 minutes. 

The referee wasn't to blame for Scotland losing but I have to admit I don't understand a lot of aspects of rugby officiating - the virtual coaching of players through various breakdown scenarios and the looseness of the interpretation. As much as football officials piss us off at times, the laws are generally a lot tighter and the game is better for the consistency of the law.

[Binos]

Wales have won two games when they weren't the better side, due 2 red cards

Last week blatant

But our guy was clearing out someone who was trying to grab the ball, sciffed his head and mainly hit his chest

No mitigating circumstances according to bullshit refereeing, the c**t was trying to play the ball

It's going the way of football which has just turned garbage

If that worried about head knocks make everyone wear extra padding scrum caps starting with today game

Bollocks

[GordonS]

 

[come on shire]

11 hours ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

I actually agree with that. Had the game today been a football match I’d be majorly pissed off for days. It’s irritating but as you say it’s only rugby.

I see your point but it's probably personal taste. After our miracle comeback at Twickers when George Ford grabbed a draw I was sickened for the rest of the weekend. However when Harry Kane popped up at the end at Hampden I was slightly annoyed but not too fussed tbh. 

[come on shire]

It was probably a red tbf. Had it been the other way around we'd be screaming for a red. 

However Zander didn't lose us the game imo. It was a sheer lack of discipline especially near ht when we let Wales back in. 

Had we got the try that was ruled out due to Gary Graham's block then we'd have won the game. I'd rather have Jamie Ritchie over Blade Thomson but in turn I'd take Thomson over Graham who gave away penalties like an absolute machine. An even worse penalty machine than Grant Gilchrist. 

Overall as good as winning at Twickers was, 2 wins (assuming we beat Italy at home) will be a poor return so we need to find a win in Paris or when Ireland visit. If not it's been a mediocre 6N I need to say... 

Edited February 14, 2021 by come on shire

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

19 minutes ago, come on shire said:

It was probably a red tbf. Had it been the other way around we'd be screaming for a red. 

However Zander didn't lose us the game imo. It was a sheer lack of discipline especially near ht when we let Wales back in. 

Had we got the try that was ruled out due to Gary Graham's block then we'd have won the game. I'd rather have Jamie Ritchie over Blade Thomson but in turn I'd take Thomson over Graham who gave away penalties like an absolute machine. An even worse penalty machine than Grant Gilchrist. 

Overall as good as winning at Twickers was, 2 wins (assuming we beat Italy at home) will be a poor return so we need to find a win in Paris or when Ireland visit. If not it's been a mediocre 6N I need to say... 

That's why it was so vital for us to win yesterday. If we're ever to move on from the 'one good win a year' team that we've become, then we really should be beating a pretty average Welsh team at home. 

OK, we may not win in Paris, but a win yesterday would have been a huge statement and we could have been looking at (at least) 4 championship wins.....which in itself, would have been a massive springboard for the next 12 months. And so on.

As it stands now, we look like a side that no matter what, just can't shake the urge to press the self-destruct button. Defeat in Paris and then we've got an Irish side which in general has our number. There's a fair chance that we will end up with only 2 victories, which is completely unsatisfactory given what happened last week. 

It may also increase pressure on Townsend, and the accusation that we're paddling hard just to stand still would raise its head again. 

Let's hope that it doesn't come to that. 4 wins would be a success, 3 wins satisfactory if frustrating, and just 2 wins will justifiably be seen as a step back. 

[kennie makevin]

12 hours ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

I actually agree with that. Had the game today been a football match I’d be majorly pissed off for days. It’s irritating but as you say it’s only rugby.

Naw...our football team in world terms is shite and has been all my lifetime...on the other hand the rugby team now has perhaps three or four guys who could claim to be the best in Europe in their position.  The Scottish football team will never win the Euros but this rugby team should have been in a position to have a real and credible shot at their Euros(6 Nations). That for me makes yesterday a real sickener. As the cliche goes its the hope etc....With the football team I never have any hope.

[Distant Doonhamer]

54 minutes ago, come on shire said:

It was probably a red tbf. Had it been the other way around we'd be screaming for a red. 

However Zander didn't lose us the game imo. It was a sheer lack of discipline especially near ht when we let Wales back in. 

Had we got the try that was ruled out due to Gary Graham's block then we'd have won the game. I'd rather have Jamie Ritchie over Blade Thomson but in turn I'd take Thomson over Graham who gave away penalties like an absolute machine. An even worse penalty machine than Grant Gilchrist. 

Overall as good as winning at Twickers was, 2 wins (assuming we beat Italy at home) will be a poor return so we need to find a win in Paris or when Ireland visit. If not it's been a mediocre 6N I need to say... 

Yes personal taste as you say. 

As you suggest Graham was a liability yesterday. Totally agree that indiscipline (often Graham) was already costing us even before the red card. I think one or two players thought the match was won when we were ahead but sadly it wasn't.

Re that match at Twickenham and the late draw when England were hammering at our line it was actually a pity they didn't score right in the corner, as they almost did IIRC, leaving a difficult conversion for the draw. 

[Distant Doonhamer]

2 minutes ago, kennie makevin said:

Naw...our football team in world terms is shite and has been all my lifetime...on the other hand the rugby team now has perhaps three or four guys who could claim to be the best in Europe in their position.  The Scottish football team will never win the Euros but this rugby team should have been in a position to have a real and credible shot at their Euros(6 Nations). That for me makes yesterday a real sickener. As the cliche goes its the hope etc....With the football team I never have any hope.

Some truth in that albeit we're talking about a 6 team competition where one of the teams is routinely shite. Take your point though.

It is good to see some Scots who can genuinely be described as world class rugby players though. Certainly agree with that point.