Richey Edwards Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 53 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The lads just got a bit carried away. It was some harmless fun that got out of hand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, coprolite said: Have we established that the reports of airstrikes on evacuating civilians are false then? And that "even though there's nowhere to go and you might struggle to get there, you've 24 hours to f**k off or we'll blow you up?" counts as "fair"? For balance, what Hamas has said it wants to do probably meets the definition of genocide too. But they don't have Western governments cheering them on. It's not nice for sure but it certainly means it's not genocide. If they really wanted to kill and main as many Palestinians as possible the death toll we hear about would have zeroes on the end. And while it's a bit close for nuking they do have them. Hamas' actions certainly fit the bill closer. They have the will, what they lack is the capacity. With Israel it's the other way round. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 After seeing the horrible videos of the aftermath of the civilian convoy bombed as they try to flee south, you have to wonder how bad it’s going to actually have to get before the western political establishment finally tells Israel to put the brakes on. Giving them a blank cheque to do as they please is heading us straight towards a catastrophe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said: After seeing the horrible videos of the aftermath of the civilian convoy bombed as they try to flee south, you have to wonder how bad it’s going to actually have to get before the western political establishment finally tells Israel to put the brakes on. Giving them a blank cheque to do as they please is heading us straight towards a catastrophe. If absolutely anyone but Israel did that, there would be widespread condemnation and actions taken against them. Absolute fucking joke that Israel is allowed to do whatever they like with no consequences. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.Aye.R Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Seen Scots mouthpiece for the IDF, Richard Hecht on BBC news there. Sad little man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 I would agree that it's not genocide, yet. Certainly plenty rhetoric from the Israeli government and others to suggest that they would be more than up for it. It is textbook ethnic cleansing though alongside the war crimes, which are obviously a given with Israel. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 I’m sure they sent them a text so it’s all fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: The lads just got a bit carried away. 1 hour ago, Richey Edwards said: It was some harmless fun that got out of hand. Hamas - a great bunch of lads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Was up at the Mound today, probably quieter than I expected but I had to leave early and there were more arriving. Turnout in London, Manchester and Glasgow looks good though from what I've seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Dee Man said: Expecting 1 million people to shift in 24 hours is fair warning? Tell me how you would go about moving 40000 people per hour in any fully functional city nevermind one where the infrastructure has already been blown to bits. Lead away at Ibrox with 20 minutes to go? 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 46 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Was up at the Mound today, probably quieter than I expected but I had to leave early and there were more arriving. Turnout in London, Manchester and Glasgow looks good though from what I've seen. Christ mate you’re going to get baverman sending armed police round all our houses for that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 31 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Christ mate you’re going to get baverman sending armed police round all our houses for that. What is the charge ? Eating a shawarma ? A succulent shawarma. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 17 hours ago, GTee said: I know nothing about much of this. But who or what is Hamas. Is it a political party. Is there a leader. That's not an 'army' to go to war with. A bit like Al Qaeda was supposedly Osama Bin Laden. Not sure about ISIS. But can you go to war with an undefined enemy, which isn't an army. If Israel go for a 'ground war', who are they shooting?. Do Hamas wear uniforms. The most powerful nation on earth along with us did a great job after 9/11 in Afghanistan. Well not really. Who knows. An overall tragedy Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood. That organisation was set up to promote Islam. Aside from the political and religious aspects, the provision of social welfare has always been very much part of what they do. I believe the latter was also the case in Palestine, and was part of how Hamas got democratically elected. As mentioned earlier the general population viewed the ruling party PLO as corrupt and self-serving. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Jaggy McJagface said: how bad it’s going to actually have to get before the western political establishment finally tells Israel to put the brakes on. Every government including the EU are basically holding Israel’s coat in this fight now. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Got no dog in this fight, but, every Israeli that I have ever had the misfortune to meet have been total thundercunts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 The US now sending a 2nd carrier strike group to the eastern Med. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 15 hours ago, Flybhoy said: Not a single sign of the motivation. No commonality. No shared goal. No leadership. In fact, very much the wrong leadership. As it stands, there isn’t even a desire for talks. On the Israeli side anyway. To be fair to the Israeli side, it's difficult to find common ground with a group that has in its founding document that Quote The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 hour ago, bluearmyfaction said: To be fair to the Israeli side, it's difficult to find common ground with a group that has in its founding document that Your quote sounds straight out of the Old Testament or Torah, all that smiting. Hamas have updated their manifesto: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, diegomarahenry said: Every government including the EU are basically holding Israel’s coat in this fight now. The sole dissenting government is Ireland's. Both Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have spoken out (https://jacobin.com/2023/10/europe-eu-israel-support-gaza-bombardment). They're centre-right neoliberal parties too. I think the difference is that Ireland isn't in NATO and has a remarkably low level of militarisation (it ranks way down at 144th of 154 in the Global Militarisation Index; by comparison, Israel is 1st). Therefore Irish politicians are not beholden to the interests of the military and security industries, through which Israel normally derives its support. Quote One has to realize that the powerful industrial groups concerned in the manufacture of arms are doing their best in all countries to prevent the peaceful settlement of international disputes, and that rulers can achieve this great end only if they are sure of the vigorous support of the majority of their peoples. In these days of democratic government the fate of the nations hangs on themselves; each individual must always bear that in mind. Our good friend Albert Einstein wrote the above in 1934 (source: page 31 of this https://cooperative-individualism.org/einstein-albert_the-world-as-i-see-it.pdf). Edited October 15, 2023 by Freedom Farter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 On 12/10/2023 at 14:56, Melanius Mullarkay said: I once went back to a young Syrian lady's flat after a night out and she fed me baklava on her couch. Euphemism? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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