Freedom Farter Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 57 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said: Said “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” which some construe to be anti-Semitic. The rationale is that you’re saying Israel shouldn’t exist which in turn means you want all the Jews there killed/expelled. Decades of racist conditioning to view Palestinians as bloodthirsty savages could easily lead people to believe the phrase means that. Palestine is the geographic region. Whichever nation states or other political entities exist within it (including Israel), wishing for all the people within that region to have full rights and freedoms is a noble cause. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Find it interesting that people in Scotland have very clear views on what is an isn't said in social media posts and politicians re the conflict, but remain firmly silent when chants and comments on other religions are completely ignored. Substitute Catholic and Protestant for Jewish and Muslim and we'd have been having very different conversations for the last 50 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Questions that you would expect to be asked of Israeli spokespersons. "Out of the over 5,000 individuals killed in Gaza in the past 12 days, how many do you estimate were terrorists?" That's what I would be asking, but hey, I'm no journalist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Hope Mainz get relegated, the twats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Almost all the German clubs have been overtly pro-Israel, including St. Pauli, shame they can't all get relegated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Theyellowbox said: Find it interesting that people in Scotland have very clear views on what is an isn't said in social media posts and politicians re the conflict, but remain firmly silent when chants and comments on other religions are completely ignored. Substitute Catholic and Protestant for Jewish and Muslim and we'd have been having very different conversations for the last 50 years. There is no equivalence between sectarian chants in Scotland and the situation in Gaza. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: Almost all the German clubs have been overtly pro-Israel, including St. Pauli, shame they can't all get relegated. St Pauli had to be shamed into saying something semi nice by the international fans and it took a lot of back and forth including a club employee calling people antisemites for simply asking that they acknowledge the plight of all the civilians involved. antiD tubes. Babelsberg the only good c***s I've noticed. Edited October 27, 2023 by itzdrk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) That's taken from this by Le Monde: https://archive.ph/lKf4u I've seen a couple of interviews with Hamas spokesmen where they've denied their organisation instructed the civilian massacres in Israel earlier this month. That's likely true, in terms of Hamas leadership. As Le Monde confirm above, the militant wing al-Qassam seem to have had full autonomy. They're led by an extremely grizzled figure, Mohammed Deif: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Deif. There's then a question of what exactly al-Qassam had planned to do. The actions of their members varied hugely. Some behaved with restraint and a degree of compassion for the civilians they temporarily held hostage then left unharmed (https://twitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1711649368758005782). That suggests adherence to a strategy. Yet many others instead murdered everyone in sight, including children, psychopaths acting with complete abandon. Edited October 27, 2023 by Freedom Farter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Political editor for the "I" seems to be a 100% pro Israeli propoganda lackey. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: There is no equivalence between sectarian chants in Scotland and the situation in Gaza. No there isn't, but there is in Scotland when people chant and sing songs that other people regard at bigoted. Point is that people in the public eye seem to be able to comment on religious matters in this horrific conflict, but ignore the problems linked to religion in their own back yard. No equivalence in terms of the events themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Looks like the full ground invasion may be getting under way tonight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 On 18/10/2023 at 08:22, RandomGuy. said: This was from before the hospital attack. See we've reached another stage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 I don't know who any of these people are, but it appeared on my feed and I thought it was a pretty good example of the two sides of the debate. One contributor calmly stating facts and advocating the common sense approach, with the other ranting insanely, losing control of his emotions and hurling personal abuse. Amazing that the shouty guy is ever invited on to anything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Genocide in Gaza as the West looks on in silence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: I don't know who any of these people are, but it appeared on my feed and I thought it was a pretty good example of the two sides of the debate. One contributor calmly stating facts and advocating the common sense approach, with the other ranting insanely, losing control of his emotions and hurling personal abuse. Amazing that the shouty guy is ever invited on to anything. Terrifying. What an absolute fucking lunatic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: See we've reached another stage. So is this them now claiming responsibility for bombing the hospital? Also some computer generated underground network isn't intelligence and with such a large array of under ground tunnels missile launches on hospitals surely doesn't fulfill even the most basic risk assessment. You might have destroyed one entrance to the tunnels and in doing so have killed hundreds of not thousands of innocent people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: I don't know who any of these people are, but it appeared on my feed and I thought it was a pretty good example of the two sides of the debate. One contributor calmly stating facts and advocating the common sense approach, with the other ranting insanely, losing control of his emotions and hurling personal abuse. Amazing that the shouty guy is ever invited on to anything. The disconnect between "public opinion" and the stance of politicians has rarely been so stark. Starmer is obviously shit scared of being badged "Corbyn MKII" - which is hilarious on several levels - that he is merely parroting the lines of Sunak. Even his Scottish pet Sarwar has stated his stance does not tie with Starmers now................... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: See we've reached another stage. I have just seen proof that there are people in America searching out enriched Uranium, which we can only guess will be used for nefarious purposes, given the obvious, haphazard approach to handling it: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Leith Green said: The disconnect between "public opinion" and the stance of politicians has rarely been so stark. Starmer is obviously shit scared of being badged "Corbyn MKII" - which is hilarious on several levels - that he is merely parroting the lines of Sunak. Even his Scottish pet Sarwar has stated his stance does not tie with Starmers now................... I’m not a conspiracy theorist but who planted Starmer in the Labour Party? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: I’m not a conspiracy theorist but who planted Starmer in the Labour Party? Starmer is as much a socialist as Tony Blair was and is closer to having tory "values" than he is to core Labour/Socialist principles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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