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17 hours ago, BFTD said:

One of the Israeli government propaganda ads that I'm being drowned in explicitly states "HAMAS IS ISIS", among other all-caps slogans in a very serious fontface set to "very big".

Incidentally, are Israel's propaganda department massive Gaspar Noe fans or something? Their promotional material is like sitting through the credits to Irreversible or Enter the Void, but sadly with no pounding techno.

and in the past Golda Meir (?) , amongst others , was giving it " there are no such things as Palestinians "

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15 hours ago, Ewanandmoreagain said:

If Hamas had just attacked the IDF on 7th October they would have just been following the usual example of the Irgun

If they'd just done that and taken a load of soldiers back to exchange for their own held by Israel, it would have been a far greater victory. 

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I haven't followed any of this in the news because what's the point. All I've really seen is stuff posted in this thread. On the telly this morning there was footage of one of the Israeli guys giving a speech at the UN. "We are not dealing with human beings. We are dealing with monsters." What's the point indeed. The sooner I win the lottery and can go and live in seclusion at least 100 miles from anyone else the better.

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3 minutes ago, eez-eh said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67232925

Anwar El Ghazi sacked by Mainz for posting something pro-Palestine on Instagram. Germany doing completely normal things.

What did his initial statement say? It just says its been deleted.

His subsequent statement is perfectly reasonable.

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The meaning of the word israeled -

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Israeled

 

Israeled

The act of taking something that is not yours and then kicking out the rightful owner

- Someone asked to share my table at a restaurant, and then asked me to leave the table because they had a meeting!
- looks like you just got israeled

by Freefelestin October 21, 2023

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17 minutes ago, eez-eh said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67232925

Anwar El Ghazi sacked by Mainz for posting something pro-Palestine on Instagram. Germany doing completely normal things.

Said “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” which some construe to be anti-Semitic. The rationale is that you’re saying Israel shouldn’t exist which in turn means you want all the Jews there killed/expelled.

 

I personally think it’s a massive stretch to assume that is what is meant by that statement and is an utterly ridiculous thing to sack someone for, but the Germans tend to be (perhaps understandably) complete shitebags when it comes to anything to do with criticism of Israel.

 

13 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

What did his initial statement say? It just says its been deleted.

His subsequent statement is perfectly reasonable.

 

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3 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said:

 

I personally think it’s a massive stretch to assume that is what is meant by that statement and is an utterly ridiculous thing to sack someone for, but the Germans tend to be (perhaps understandably) complete shitebags when it comes to anything to do with criticism of Israel.

Understandable?  Maybe.  But surely they should be equally understandable of authoritarianism and repression of speech.  After all these were fundamental tactics for Hitler whilst he was building up to his genocidal actions.

 

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12 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said:

the Germans tend to be (perhaps understandably) complete shitebags when it comes to anything to do with criticism of Israel.

I don't think it's understandable at all.   AntiDs are a very big problem. 

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15 minutes ago, ForzaViola said:

This is actually mental. Folk are being utterly hounded/dismissed from jobs for making completely level-headed and reasonable statements about Israel's frankly disgusting treatment of Palestinians. 

How long before the UN guy is hounded into a "resignation for family reasons"? 

What a shame the Cancel Culture thread's away*. I'm sure the same characters who were so furious about wokeness would've been all over this.

* "things nobody has ever said before" thread for this pish

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57 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said:

Said “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” which some construe to be anti-Semitic. The rationale is that you’re saying Israel shouldn’t exist which in turn means you want all the Jews there killed/expelled.

Decades of racist conditioning to view Palestinians as bloodthirsty savages could easily lead people to believe the phrase means that.

Palestine is the geographic region. Whichever nation states or other political entities exist within it (including Israel), wishing for all the people within that region to have full rights and freedoms is a noble cause.

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Find it interesting that people in Scotland have very clear views on what is an isn't said in social media posts and politicians re the conflict, but remain firmly silent when chants and comments on other religions are completely ignored. Substitute Catholic and Protestant for Jewish and Muslim and we'd have been having very different conversations for the last 50 years.

 

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