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2 hours ago, Freedom Farter said:

This is an exhilarating read: 

https://archive.ph/NbCwD

Reminiscent of the film Taken. An extraordinary effort by a father to return his child to safety. Journalist Nir Gontarz whose son was at the rave which was attacked earlier this month. 

Gontarz mentions that Palestinian-Israeli Ahmad Tibi was the only politician to phone afterwards, emotionally congratulating him. When you read Tibi's Wikipedia entry you see his views are the standard Palestinian perspective, no punches pulled. That made me think how such contradictions are tolerated and understood in Israeli and Palestinian discourse, by the folk who actually live the gritty reality. That contrasts with how debate is kept as sterile and abstract as possible in UK and USA because what's being prioritised is how it makes people here feel.

That point was really clear to me as I happened to read the above story straight after reading this from a London Tory in The Times: 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c094360e-6de5-11ee-b5d7-5487922f056f?shareToken=07dcdd1fff655a5d822cc96d9a7e4758

Look at her opening sentence:

This fucking breakfast rager was angry at the BBC for supposedly not complying with her preferred narrative, for causing her the terrible angst of having to momentarily question her worldview. In her article she salutes the OSINT wankers of Twitter for riding to her rescue. They managed to shift focus from the human suffering onto the precisely geolocated crater scarring of their bawbags. The likes of her have nothing whatsoever to do with events in Israel and the Palestinian territories yet they spend all their time attempting to censor the voices of those who do. They're angry not at any injustices but at their worldview and identity no longer being coddled and exclusively catered to. It's reality's fault they now have to eat their breakfast in a bad mood. 

I'm fuming that "breakfast" is a verb now. "i broke fast in a rage" is far more aesthetically pleasing. 

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3 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

I see Israelis settlers* in the West Bank are continuing they’re campaign of terror ** against Palestinians with the apparent acquiescence of the IDF.

* illegal settlements, the illegality of which is ignored.

** does that make them ‘terrorists’?

I’m sure Sunak and Starmer will be issuing a statement condemning this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67173344

According to the UN's humanitarian office, the week that followed Hamas's murderous attack was the deadliest for Palestinians in the West Bank since it began reporting fatalities in 2005, with at least 75 Palestinians killed by the Israeli military or settlers, and incidents of settler violence up from an average of three a day to eight. 

In one raid on a Palestinian refugee camp, and a rare air strike in the region, on Thursday 12th, Israeli forces killed at least 12 people, Palestinian officials said, and Israeli police said one officer was killed.

 

Can the quantum minds of P&B confirm if it’s okay to use the phrase Israeli settlers?

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1 hour ago, Ziggy Sobotka said:

Reckon all climate change protest will be considered antisemitic by the end of next week.

Just to be safe I am going to carry around a large folio of all anti-Semitic propaganda from the last two centuries which I will study at length before taking any photographs of myself. It's simply the only way to be sure

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7 minutes ago, GHF-23 said:

Just to be safe I am going to carry around a large folio of all anti-Semitic propaganda from the last two centuries which I will study at length before taking any photographs of myself. It's simply the only way to be sure

I'm a nazi and I didn't know about the blue octopus thing. Cut Greta some slack.

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1 hour ago, Ziggy Sobotka said:

Reckon all climate change protest will be considered antisemitic by the end of next week.

Everyone knows that all the major US Oil companies are part of a zionist conspiracy*

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*obviously not a serious statement, just in case "some" posters start to lose their shit.........................

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25 minutes ago, GHF-23 said:

Just to be safe I am going to carry around a large folio of all anti-Semitic propaganda from the last two centuries which I will study at length before taking any photographs of myself. It's simply the only way to be sure

Are we absolutely certain that the act of taking a photograph isn’t antisemitic in itself? 

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48 minutes ago, Donathan said:

I think a one state solution is not feasible here. Imagine the scenes. Roughly 8 million Jews and 6 million Muslims, who absolutely hate and despise each other.

Would be civil war by lunchtime on the first day. 

That attitude led to the partition of India into a supposedly Muslim bit (or two bits) and a supposedly not so Muslim bit.  Nowadays these bits are fierce rivals and have nuclear weapons pointed at each other.  The idea that nations should be defined purely on religious grounds is a bad one.

I can also think of another place much closer to Scotland.

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Just now, oneteaminglasgow said:

Are we absolutely certain that the act of taking a photograph isn’t antisemitic in itself? 

There's an old trope that Jews don't have reflections, so racists would take Polaroids of people they suspected of having Jewish heritage to see if they showed up in the picture.

That reads like something that could have actually happened TBH.

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2 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

That attitude led to the partition of India into a supposedly Muslim bit (or two bits) and a supposedly not so Muslim bit.  Nowadays these bits are fierce rivals and have nuclear weapons pointed at each other.  The idea that nations should be defined purely on religious grounds is a bad one.

I can also think of another place much closer to Scotland.

Glasgow?

Of course, we all know that Birmingham is segregated into Muslim and non-Muslim areas now. Thanks Fox News!

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1 hour ago, Ziggy Sobotka said:

Reckon all climate change protest will be considered antisemitic by the end of next week.

Conspiracy confirmed!

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