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Unsure what you are meaning as its costing similar to what it costs to run a U19s or u21s team From what I'm hearing just same principles

What's people's views of who is expected to be the strongest teams in each conference division. This is something I'm seriously looking forward to and think there will be plenty of exciting games every Friday. The only confusion, which games do we go to each week Conference A Conference B Conference C Bellshill Athletic Blantyre Victoria Bonnyton Thistle BSC Glasgow Caledonian Braves Carluke Rovers Cumbernauld Colts East Kilbride Forth Wanderers Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Mid Annandale Newmains United Shettleston St Roch’s Benburb Clydebank Drumchapel United Johnstone Burgh Maryhill Pollok Renfrew Rossvale St Anthony’s St Cadocs Vale of Leven Yoker Athletic Ardrossan Winton Rovers Arthurlie Beith Cumnock Darvel Irvine Meadow Kilwinning Rangers Largs Thistle Maybole Neilston Troon Whittles Victoria My view only Conference A; I can see BSC, Caledonian Braves, Bonnyton and Colts up there, with East Kilrbirde, Kirky Rob Roy and Bellshill following behind Conference B; Clydebank look the strongest Conference C; I haven't a scooby Definitely feel as if the teams who have been in the development past few years have an advantage and hopefully the rest will catch up quick

its a bit different for teams in development league than traditional grassroots teams and less chance of folding. Why, because the teams in the development league are really operated and officially run by the first team. If said team fold then the first team have a fine of £250 and then if the first team want to put a team back in the following year or years to come then they have to pay a bankers fee of £500 as a guarantee against folding again

Look I'm not meaning to be condescending or anything like that so please do not treat this as such but its so obviously and staring you in the face. yes I do believe you are angry and can understand you being that way but I don't believe you are looking at this objectively. I have no affiliation to any committee guy on the lowland league and have any involvement in the making up of it etc... it just looks common sense to me WHY is Bonnyton not in the Ayrshire division well to me it looks like ( Bonnyton Thistle, BSC Glasgow, Caledonian Braves, Cumbernauld Colts and Mid Annandale ) are in the same group as they are experienced teams in the lowland league and should be a good standard than the rest so I expect that's why they are in the same group and also the league want the West region to consolidate, get to grips with everything and flourish in the future years to come. Arthurlie and Neilston are just that , simply in the Ayrshire Conference group because they are the two closest traditional Glasgowish teams beside Ayrshire. in every reshuffle or change in leagues etc... someone kinda loses and someone wins, it happens. To every west region development team, the U20s league is Brand New, Except to the 5 stated and the league wants it to be successful and next year, I believe, will be all in form this years standings. And for anyone's information, I think all in conferences will be fantastic and exciting but I believe they are organised it that way due to the convid restrictions and to try and save clubs money and travel

yeah you've drawn the short straw but it is what is it The league wanted two divisions of 19 but the football is starting late so they have made it 3 divisions and decided to make it local, or try to, which was being looked at by the committee as they want to try and give every chance of the league to work in the first season. it just so happens that Neilston and Arhurlie are the closest teams to Ayrshire, I Believe. next year it will be all in and think they will go by the league finishings

Hey all I'm interested in the thoughts of Edinburgh City fans on the Edinburgh City U20s Development team. With Edinburgh City doing fantastic in SPFL 2 last season and operating a U20s operated last year and now that City have signed up for another year in the U20s development league I take that the u20s experience was good and been productive for Edinburgh City as a whole What's your thoughts of it, especially any fans who went to watch the game son the Friday evening. last year had 29 teams in the development league and this year there are 68, mostly form the West side with 8 new teams joining from the East side of the country.

Hey all I'm interested in the thoughts of East Fife fans on the East Fife U20s Development team. The East Fife U20s operated last year in the Lowland development league and have included the U20s this year so I'm assuming it went well and been productive What's your thoughts of it, especially any fans who went to watch the games on the Friday evening. last year had 29 teams in the development league and this year there are 68, mostly from the West side with 8 new teams joining form the East side of the country.

I cant disagree with any of your points I will say regarding the structure of the Eats Region this year When you consider how they structures the East Region this season with last years finished leagues of Conference A and Conference B last. 1st A, 3rd A, 5th A, 7th A all went inot Conference A this year, while 2nd A, 4th A, 6th A, 8th A all went into Conference B this year and the same intended from Conference B last year. Obviously that would have been the full structure on the East except BSC, Cumbernauld Colts, Bonnyton, Mid Annandale and Caledonian Braves moved to the West Think the same principles will be added to the West region for season 21/22

I get why you are upset and agree with you to a certain point but your not getting it or choosing to ignore it. The league have organized it to try and help teams save money and make it easy for travelling. They said or implied that this was the intention for the first season in the West, everyone and their cat understand why this is. We are in total agreement in regards to what you have said about playing the same teams, but as the costs for most teams is just starting out somewhere between £8500 to £9500 to run a team in the league so right now the less travelling saves more money for the clubs. I think its exciting for a team in Ayrshire playing a Glasgow team and a Lanarkshire team and visa versa in their league, teams that they haven't faced before which would add to the excitement but they have regionalized the West region. I think 21/22 will be a different and totally all in And guess what, during the week, friendlies can always be arranged with any of the clubs in the West region to give Ayrshire lads a taste of Glasgow and Lanarkshire teams and visa versa

Its easily worked out why the leagues are in the structure that has been announced. It's to give all the U20s teams help to save money and give every team an opportunity to flourish and develop in their first season Most definitely Ayrshire teams would be best divided throughout the 3 conferences but the league decided to keep them together and the two nearest teams to Ayrshire, Arthurlie and Neilston. Has anyone thought about Mid Annadale, they are based in Lockerbie and have 13 away days in either Glasgow or Lanarkshire and have we heard them complain, NO, why because they were in the league last year, did tons of travelling to the east and West and still want to continue because they know how good the league is and the benefits that come with it. Again, I believe if successful for the u20s teams , in the West it will work in all in and not regionalised within the West region

I'm not sure personally, I thought it was going to be a 14,12, 12 but it must be down to location I've just noticed Kirky Rob Roy are beside Rossvale in location as in area but bene told they play somewhere out in Easterhouse so conference A looks like teams in the east side of Glasgow and Lanarkshire and Mid Annandale, and B look's like west and central Glasgow teams including vale of level and C looks like all Ayrshire and the Arthurlie and Neilston I suppose near to the start of Ayrshire That's the only reasoning I can think of

I get why you are saying that but not really piss poor. There were undertones why this has happened at the meeting as they want to give the development league every opportunity to work, less travel, less over heads but after this coming season it will be expected to be all in. I think all teams would love it to be mixed but for this season its about making it work

heard that its not official an the leagues are still being worked out

I can't see any team struggling to field a team as there is a huge interest in the development league from a lot of youth players

The league comes first which we all agree and then it should be the main senior Scottish cup for the licensed teams or teams like Auchinleck who won their league and then its the South Challenge cup (is it 147 teams competing ?), so to me I cannot see that cup being scrapped as its the main cup that incorporates all the Lowland, West region, East region and south region teams from tier 5 down, so this is a huge cup so don't get why talk of scrapping it. There and I would expect there to be a couple of other cups and then the junior cup. The reason why I say the junior cup is last on that list is that its not part of the association and run by others so I can only see it causing problems and not all the teams in the West region have renewed their membership. I don't see why teams who have not renewed their license or teams who are not part of the juniors membership who play in the West lose the chance of playing in a domestic cup so that the junior cup can work, that's not right so that's why I expect and know it should be domestic other cups priority. In regarding the bold paragraph, yes 100% agree with you of the shortened season and somethings may have to suffer so if it the first to go would be the junior cup as its not part of the senior association. What I will say My view only here It should be: league take priority, except for senior Scottish cup then South Challenge cup West of Scotland cup 1 or 2 other cups Scottish junior cup The South Challenge cup will come before the West of Scotland cup

I'm a bit unsure about the junior cup as your not mentioning other Lowland domestic cups Its the lowland league so all their cups under their control should be mandatory before the junior cup. I've not heard what cups will be at the west but the junior cup games for the senior teams have to be fitted in with the lowland league schedule. So teams in the west will have the league games, the challenge cup, the senior Scottish for some or one and usually another two domestic cups or a west cup and then it should be the Scottish Junior cup. The Lowland league cannot let an outside cup run by a different organisation change the way they operate or intend to operate as I sure this would be detrimental to their season and running said of

The lowland league will work it out. They were hoping to have two conferences leagues in each region. They said its a possibility that if its a late football start then they will change to 3 divisions, (definitely in the West, - maybe the East) and or lose one of the cups suppose what's defined as a late start. I did expect problems but suppose officially there are no ground situations. All clubs have been accepted and therefor I expect they all have an adequate park from the Lowland leagues view its going to be Friday games only as the development teams are run by the first team so the league could not just hit them with other days for the sake of it when the development lads are also for the first team when needed. I'm sure after the first season for the West teams and the development league getting to know all the ins and outs of the West, things will be tidied up if a park is verging on unsuitability I would suspect games midweek as well at the start of the league as the nights haven't drawn in yet so first team park is useable, depending on availability then obviously when the dark nights draw in then the other facility they intend to use that has floodlights will be used. All in all an exciting time, Friday night constant games and Saturday constant games when we all eventually start, so looking forward to it

I think this ran away from what was intended and obviously my own fault for not elaborating We know the councils own these parks or are have part ownership at least, so for lot of these facility council owned stadiums may have facilities inside where other business use them outwith the football team, say a boxing club, judo club, dance club etx.. So yeah, they can run it as a business as the park is loaned to them so obviously charge including the football team. I was more thinking of public parks, council owned parks, the type with cages etc... is that you cannot charge people to enter into the game as the parks are just that, public parks. Maybe there is a way that can be reached with the councils so that they could charge but I don't know of any Sorry for the confusion n just want to say, brilliant that all 68 teams that applied to the Lowland u20s development league have been accepted and looking forward to a Friday night wondering which game to go and watch as I'm sure there is going to be some crackers

Quite a few junior teams use junior facilities and charge - Petershill for one. Higher up you've got Broadwood owned by the council. At youth level too, entry is charged for the SYFA/Regional finals. I'm sure I can be corrected and don't mind if I am but is Petershill park not run by someone else, or third part who take payments Also, I'm positive that Broadwood is not Wholly owned by the council but shared with some Cumbernauld cooperation, again I could be wrong

Buckets are great idea. I don't think any tm can charge when using a school pitch or public pitch or council owned pitch but think every home team is in their right to have a bucket for donations to help pay for referee, park etc...

Camelon and Dunipace and am I right in saying Sauchie in the same position could play in the East or West but I heard that the rule in season 21/22 will be that if first team play in the East region then the u20s will do the same. Think Mid Annadale are in the same position in the south. There will always be teams that travel further than others, that's just their location so cant change that. In saying that they might even regional inside the west region, ie put all Ayrshire teams together and some west, western teams for the first year to help. I think they will just conference two divisions again in the East as everyone seen the past couple of years as a success Regarding fact, yeah your right, every area and team is different so some are under, which I know a few are and some might be over priced but being regionalised will help keep costs down. I believe at the under 20s teams most teams will have the lads in an amateur form and its up to each individual club to put those lads into pro contract but obviously if they think its beneficial to the club. Facts are only relevant to the team you are involved in not a sweeping statement that all costs are equal Yes, totally 100% agree there

This is now fact; the development league is being regionalized, so there will be a West region and an East region, so no big constant travels for teams from East to West or from West to East, except in cup ties. I have heard however that they intend to have two conference divisions in each region but stated that if it’s a late start to the season they make put the regions into 3 conference divisions with less games,. If I remember rightly, there's 38 teams applied in the West and 30 from the East so the development are checking criteria to make sure all are eligible to enter. In regards to pricing it looks cheaper for MOST teams to be in the development league at U20s than a youth team at, say U19s or U21s because its similar fees except the referee fees have been returned to the club at the end of the season Quite a lot of the teams running already have been playing in quality parks, Kpark, Holm park, huntershill, Newlandsfield, Rockburn park, some I may add for nothing, the prices of the public parks are similar in price to Astro and some of the quality parks maybe cheaper as they are run by the first team. These teams are allowed to play on a grass park so quite a lot of the U20s teams will play on the first team parks, again possibly without charge and in early nights they will go to another park that they are using You are way off in regards to development contracts, nearly all teams will have these lads on amateur's contracts, I suspect they will only put some of these lads on a professional contract if they believe the lad has a bright future in the game and as this is new to most of the WOS teams there is no need for them to rush into putting promising players on professional contracts, the league is a development league, it’s all about developing youths to the best that they can be in the hope that they may make the first team. I know of professional players who are coaching in the new development league and are not taking any money, they are volunteer coaches and never dismiss a parent/volunteer coach, professional coaches learn from them as well. I think from the general consensus is that when the East teams left the junior ranks to join the senior ranks a few years ago and quite a few teams took a local team along which had an adverse effect on the u19s and u21s East leagues and most of the west side noticed this and in retrospect have been preparing for the development league and the first team taking their teams so most have been ready, not all I may add but quite a few

Agreed, pitch that meet the criteria is really the main problem, as this is all new to the West teams, eventually they will all get sorted this season, next season or season after. If the U20s had started, wouldn't Petershill U20s use the Petershill Park home ground ? Not sure how its working in the East but its been successful by all accounts in the past few seasons with most teams from the East so here's hoping the West will follow suit

I heard the Lowland league told all teams that no training is allowed. I think they are waiting to find out definitively what is allowed and what is not in regards to training and football

Think so but suppose as it would be pre season training for the next few weeks its more about fitness so lots of fitness work and running and if true You can have one coach with 7 players and another coach with 7 and so one, doing the same work outs and small passing drills etc....