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Aye, but isn't that as you said earlier because your a Dee c**t on a United thread?? I misread that as selling oil to the Saudis and was almost extremely impressed!!

Why? Seen that line pulled in another forum, can't see why it, makes no sense. He's not being sacked, he's leaving under "mutual consent" with a nice write up, unlike others who have left recently. The "not happy with you, so I'll not do anything to you but we'll get rid of your son you didn't want at the club in the first place" all seems a bit gangster, small time and un business like for me. Suspect its more like an offer has come in, hes asked to be released from contract, we've thought he can go and allow new man to bring in own staff without us having to pay folk off etc. He'll probably go to Swansea with Goldie who brought him to Tannadice.

Swansea would be my guess. He at the SFA under Goldie who brought him to United. Supposedly a good.coach, but never accepted at United and could never be promoted as the outcy and conspiracy theories would go mental.

I'd quite agree, although it appears the the hard work and hard running was more prevelant last night at 0-0 than it was against Livi at home at the same or score or against St. Mirren. The improvement needs to continue. I just found it telling that Liam Fox felt he needed to mention it as it is at odds with his comments regarding "player power" at United and not playing for Ross.

Telling that Liam Fox says in his interview with DUTV "Like I've just said to the guys there, shouldn't have to ask professional football players to run hard and to work as that just be a given. So that's where we need to get back to"

It's a win. Better keep that up at Fir Park.

It's good we are 2 up at half time. It's good we are putting in a performance. I'm not happy though, it just shows these b*****ds on the park weren't putting the effort for the last few weeks. They'll have to keep this up (performance wise) all bloody season to be forgiven for what I've witnessed on the park recently. May they keep me getting angry during the 2nd half as they show the effort missing previously!

Alan Temple of the courier tweeted the rules relating to this. Players are not cup tied if they play in the group stages, only counts as cup tied in the knock out stages.

Ross said after the win over AZ Alkmaar "“Maybe I should call it quits now — I know from experience, this job doesn’t always continue to go well,” laughed Ross. Who knew at the time this would be one of the truest statements said during this season.

Quite agree, but one thing in Smith's defence he is the only one who appears visibly angered and annoyed by what is happening and seems to be letting team mates know it. The rest jusut head down shuffle about staring at the ground.

I hadn't commented until then. As said a poster ASKED what the rumours were, I told him what the rumours are. I also said it may be shite. Knock yourself out, crack on red dotting rather than speaking about it. At least you have written a reply rather than a childish "I don't like that " red dot. You possibly are in the minority, but this is a forum if no-one posts rumours the whole fecking site near falls on its arse. Have you not been one of the posters talking about how crap and a total liability Eriksson was even though you hadn't seen him play and were basing it on rumours that you may or may not have made up to be ITK? If not then sorry I may have you mixed up with another poster. Most of the posts in the last 24 hours saying Ross was gone were other clubs fans posting links to him leaving Sunderland and Hibs. My take on it is that there is a player led revolt over something or other at the club, that is clear for all to see as they are not playing for him and he looks shell shocked. In this there is usually only one loser which is the manager. If he goes though the players undermining him win. Although I'd be happy to chip in a few quid along with a few others to get shot of half the squad no matter how talented, or how well they did last year. The attitude shown by the majority of the playing staff is piss poor, out of order and basically sticking two fingers up at the fans who effectively pay for their lifestyles. There are a few exceptions, but not many. The.only other explanation is Jack Ross is shite and needs to go before we potentially find ourselves any further adrift at the bottom of the league. Do I think he is completely shite? No I don't BUT he has made mistakes and still hasn't been able to kick the slow, one-paced, directionless, no shots, no creativity pish football we've been served up when not chucking it ( AZ at home excluded). He has said though that that is not what he wants, so is that on the players? The players though are weak, timid, responsibility dodging cowards and something needs to change sooner rather than later or we could be set with a loser mentality for the season and in big trouble.

No. Different goalkeeper, 2 different cenntre halves and a different left back. The right back is the same as the Championship winning side.

Thing is Eriksson was the goalkeeper of the year in the Allsvenskan helping his team to 9th place out of 16th in the league, a team that shouldn't have been anywhere near that position with stats better than Benji, is also current Finnish no. 2 with 1 cap. He's not shite, but many fans have written him off due to not replacing Benji towards the end of last season. The keepers are afforded absolutely no protection by those in front. The comment about Szromnik/Zwick vibes is interesting. We've brought back Craig Hinchcliffe as GK coach. He's the same coach that turned Rado nervous and turn the Polish under 21 international and top Polish goal keeping prospect Szromnik into a goal keeping imposter. How much is that having an effect?

Always the case the manager pays the price. I agree with you to a ertain extent about preparation, but players can still try, mark up(they have eyes in their head FFS), track, look like they give a f**k in general. Some of the defending was amateur at best. Goal 5 has Edwards wandering about half-hearted.doing the square root of feck all. Other goals (lost count as to exactly which ones they were to be fair) McMann ambles back with a player running in to tap the ball in, plus the other almost carbon copy goals. 2nd goal stems from McMann (I think it was) doing exactly the same thing as led to a goal by Livi, trying to play the ball centrally under pressure. If he had just punted it clear or put it out to regroup. These things are on the players. One of the only players that visibly looked pissed off was Liam Smith, others may well have been internally but too many just seemed to go "Oh well, these things happen" and continued onwards in the same vain. Training, preparation for the game, tactics and line up, changes through the game, that's on the manager and he is culpable. Strength on the ball,passing ability, onfield decisions, lack of tracking, lack of tackles, just lack of using any common feccking sense on the field of play and on field.commitment to the cause amd professional pride thats squarley on the players. Pre season wasn't great, Killie was nearly 3pts ( if we had what might have been), AZ at home was great, since then its been disastrous. Something has happened and the players (well some of them) have downed tools.

Not sure if they did from the George Fox at the time, but definitely moaning on some forums and Twitter from fans.

He gets caught on the ball, dithjers and holds into posession too much. He also started the game against Hearts at DM. It wasn't pretty.

Exactly, this is determined by whether or not the rumours are true, you can't allow players to effectively police what they do on thr pitch or who the club employs. Most of the guys at our level will require jobs in thr real world when they retire and when they donthey are in for a hell of a shock! If they get away with it once, they'll do it again. As said all of this is if this is definitely true. Mulgrew is decent, as is Watt, but you're correct that they, especially Watt, have a higher opinion of themselves tham those looking in do. In Watt's case you feel with more application he could be a fantastic player, rathen than an inconsistent very good player.

Goodness knows if it is or not, but that is the rumour. Mulgrew,Watt and Clark laughing about at halftime warm up hasn't gone down well with some of the support. There is something very rotten at the heart.of the playing side of the club at the moment. Never seen so many allegedly professional players, look like they have given up, chucked it and can't be arsed as you see in the park at the moment. No mattter who yout boss is and whether you like him or not professional pride comes into it and you still do your best. Not really finding anyone who fits that bill to be honest. That is not absolving Ross of his mistakes.

What is your problem @ArabFC The lad asked what the rumours are, he was told what they are. Obviously have another one of these posters that doesn't like other opinions or folk to answer what rumours are. We aren't saying its fact, it's just what the rumours are. It's also obvious to anyone with a brain and eyes to see the pathetic, directionless, aimless, substandard, lack of effort shit show being served up by the playing squad currently, that something is very,very obviously wrong. That the players have downed tools and very, very few look bothered when the goals go in against them.

The dressing room is led by 4 players. They believe they are who runs the club. The players are Mulgrew, Watt and 2 others (Clark possibly one other). They are seemingly against Jack Ross and as such the dressing room is not with him.

You'd have to jettison Mulgrew,Edwards and Smith for that. The slow aimlless, directionless gk to Edwards to Smith to Mulgrew to Smith all after about 5 touches to control it slows down absolutely ANY chance of doing anything at all. The opposition is all back closing of space. When the ball does get to Middleton is 1st response (and he is far from the only one) is to passit straight back again irrespective of if he has time to turn and go forward. No in is hitting the byline at pace to stretch the opposition and put in a cross to Fletcher who if he does win it has no one (Watt, McGrath,Harkes,Middleton) with 5+ yards to win the knock-downs. Its getting that bad Fletcher was out wide with Smith and Middleton so he could get a touch and try to help create. There is just so much wrong with our set up and play right now it is difficult to know where to start when you want to critique the team!

It's not an unpopular opinion at all. Freeman was really pivotal to our good start last season. Smith when in possession today just would not release the ball quick enough to Middleton and never overlapped. Was the no overlapping a managerial decision or was it because he had absolutely no confidence in Edwards and Mulgrew behind him? If must play, use him as the defensive midfielder that should have been a prority this window. The amount of mistakes so far from him, although far from the only one, so far this season has me shaking my head. Quite a few players in the squad must be sitting there fizzing at the fact they aren't getting a look when watching what those who are playing are getting away with.

I'd agree with this too. I also wish he'd stop trying to be so greedy. Needs to remember its a team game amd he can't do everything. For example as well as he played against AZ at home, the amount of times he ignored the overlapping Sheep, tried to take on too many defenders, lost the ball and allowed them to attack into the space Sheep had left was infuriating. It was glossed over as we ovver all were really good that night. Similar against Sunnderland, guilty of over playing it. I'm fairly positive about him, he is a good player. He is not as bad as the current criticism is making out, but as Granny says that doesn't mean he is beyond criticism as there are aspects to his game that could be improved.

Individually yes, but collectively as a team? That's the question. I'd tend to agree there is but we need to start picking up points, or at very least performances as the Euro home game has been the only real one we've had. I was hoping for a realistic 8-10 points from the opening games of Killie. (a), Livi(h), Hearts (a), Celtic (h) and Well (a). As it stands we're looking at 2 maybe 4 at most. AZ at home says we can, the lack of confidence and utter panic ruppling through the team currently says "hopefully"

On the comments that StMirren is a "must win", for me it is. Failure to do so will have the fans on Ross, leave us 1pt from 12 with a game against Celtic, lets face it, we are extremely unlikely to get anything from, leaving us 1pt from 15. We then have the cup game away to Livi before we face Motherwell at Fir Park. A loss in that game and confidence is going to be seriously rock bottom and 1pt from 18! Getting to that stage and we'll be struggling all season. I know its all "ifs & buts" and worst case scenario but you can see it looking at the players. For me the pre season was poor, Killie and Livi were poor, shocking against AZ away & Hearts. The anomaly was the good performance against AZ at home. It papererd over a lot of cracks but even there, there were a few problems. Birighitti needs dropped. If he has won the A-League keeper of the year 2 years running how bad are the rest of them?? Eriksson, who was best keeper in Sweden and current Finland squad member, must wonder what he has to do to get in the team, he was "dropped" after a mistake in Pre-season. The glaring recruitment issue for me is we have no DM and no goal scorer. Fletcher for me isn't that, he can hold the ball, good in the air and something we've been missing, will score some, but needs the likes if Watt, McGrath, Harkes, Cudjoe and Middleton to step up play off him and share the burden. The other big issue for me with recruitment, is mentality. We appear to have added to the team more weak, head dropping players. There doesn't seem to be a tunnel vision will to win in the team and it gives off the impression that heads go down too easy. Defence (minus gk) appear to have regressed. They also, when it comes to distribution appear myopic in that they ignore completely players in space, and unable to move the ball quickly. They take 4/5 touches on receiving the ball before passing, given the opposition plenty of time to close of space. Midfield is almost non existent, weak and easy bullied. Birighitti, Smith, Watt and Harkes need benched. Obvious reasons for the gk, Watt is frustrating, trying to do everything himself & going down too easy. Being dropped might give him the boot up the arse he needs. Harkes and McGrath can't play in the same midfield together and Meekison looks tidy and can pick a pass. Sheep for Smith for me. A lot of our good form last season was while Freeman was in the team. The one bright spot so far seems to be Cudjoe. For us we've spent big this season, we've brought in on paper decent individuals. But on the evidence (other than AZ win) looks like it's weakened us as a team. I do hope JR can turn it round, improve our performances, get some confidence into the players. If we don't the home game against Hibs is going to be toxic.