Been going too long Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, stevoraith said: Murray has said in interviews that he knows where we need to strengthen. That’s as much as can be said. Actions speak louder than words , so respectfully mr Murray get the finger out please 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varna Rover Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 if the gaffer waits until late august then taking at least 6 weeks to accustomize to our style it will be mid to late october before any benefits may be shown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JBJ Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 19 hours ago, RRFC_Liam said: I think we might get a permanent CH from down south or even abroad, 1 Loan CH from the premiership sides or maybe a versatile defender that can play along the back 4, apparently Lang is well ahead of schedule and could be back sooner than expected but won’t be rushed type thing It’s true- he’s doing very well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoraith Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Let it be known that’s it’s not just me saying it. Maybe you and the rest of the fan base are happy to wait it out. But I and some others are a little worried that’s all. Opinions matter. Ok mines are a little outlandish, but who cares[emoji1787][emoji1787]No, it’s not just you, it just so happened you were the latest one to say it. I agree that I’d much rather know who the targets are and have a warm fuzzy feeling that we’re going to bring in who we need, but football at our level has never been like that so I don’t understand the criticism of the club over a lack of updates. Unless people genuinely think it’s as easy as popping to strikers-R-us and picking one off the shelf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithie Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 48 minutes ago, Varna Rover said: if the gaffer waits until late august then taking at least 6 weeks to accustomize to our style it will be mid to late october before any benefits may be shown. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varna Rover Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Raithie said: oh dear. quite pathetic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilted John Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, stevoraith said: No, it’s not just you, it just so happened you were the latest one to say it. I agree that I’d much rather know who the targets are and have a warm fuzzy feeling that we’re going to bring in who we need, but football at our level has never been like that so I don’t understand the criticism of the club over a lack of updates. Unless people genuinely think it’s as easy as popping to strikers-R-us and picking one off the shelf. I get that side, but you have to balance out against the commercial side of getting your business done quickly too. Season ticket sales started off really well but I bet we won’t have sold many over the last couple of weeks. If we had an exciting squad already built and had been firing on all cylinders then we probably would have sold more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachbum Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) Scottish League Cup: Clubs facing recruitment 'nightmare' ahead of season - Jim McInally Edited July 4, 2022 by Beachbum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Been going too long Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Jilted John said: I get that side, but you have to balance out against the commercial side of getting your business done quickly too. Season ticket sales started off really well but I bet we won’t have sold many over the last couple of weeks. If we had an exciting squad already built and had been firing on all cylinders then we probably would have sold more. Totally agree bud 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Beachbum said: Scottish League Cup: Clubs facing recruitment 'nightmare' ahead of season - Jim McInally Had just come here to post this. Whilst a bit anxious st the current state of the squad, the leveller is that there many teams in the same position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub car king Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 We might just utilise the loan market for key positions if there is nothing available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.R.FC Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Do people think there are strikers and centre backs who are very good players and fit into our budget and are willing to sign for us right now and Murray is just choosing not to sign them? Just because we haven’t signed anyone for those positions yet doesn’t mean that Murray isn’t trying. People have either turned down offers or the quality isn’t available yet, he’s not sitting there doing nothing comfortable with Lim Dick being our starting centre back, that’s pretty obvious. He knows what we need. He’ll be working very hard at it but every team is in the same boat, none of the best players are available or committing to anything at the moment. I’d rather we waited and got the right person in than panicked and made a mistake. We can’t afford another Keatings/Mendy/Riley-Snow this season. It’s essential we get a centre back and striker in but it’s also essential they’re good, filling the positions with duds is much worse than not filling them at all at this stage, we still have almost 4 weeks till our first league game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Been going too long Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, R.R.FC said: Do people think there are strikers and centre backs who are very good players and fit into our budget and are willing to sign for us right now and Murray is just choosing not to sign them? Just because we haven’t signed anyone for those positions yet doesn’t mean that Murray isn’t trying. People have either turned down offers or the quality isn’t available yet, he’s not sitting there doing nothing comfortable with Lim Dick being our starting centre back, that’s pretty obvious. He knows what we need. He’ll be working very hard at it but every team is in the same boat, none of the best players are available or committing to anything at the moment. I’d rather we waited and got the right person in than panicked and made a mistake. We can’t afford another Keatings/Mendy/Riley-Snow this season. It’s essential we get a centre back and striker in but it’s also essential they’re good, filling the positions with duds is much worse than not filling them at all at this stage, we still have almost 4 weeks till our first league game. Everyone is different mate I have no idea what he has done / turned down and tbh neither do you. Generally I prefer our manager to get the business done sooner, agreed we can’t afford another keatings but I am just finding this pre season very frustrating and expressing that on a football forum. If we lose to Peterhead or Stirling or Dumbarton then he will be under a bit of pressure before the league kicks off and imo if we qualified from our group as best runner up( which I think we should/can ) we could get another good tie and bring in needed funds. I can only think we are going down the loan route a lot which worryingly we did under Locke . Not great imo and not inspiring me to buy my season ticket or maybe I’m just suffering from post Mcglynn syndrome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Been going too long said: Everyone is different mate I have no idea what he has done / turned down and tbh neither do you. Generally I prefer our manager to get the business done sooner, agreed we can’t afford another keatings but I am just finding this pre season very frustrating and expressing that on a football forum. If we lose to Peterhead or Stirling or Dumbarton then he will be under a bit of pressure before the league kicks off and imo if we qualified from our group as best runner up( which I think we should/can ) we could get another good tie and bring in needed funds. I can only think we are going down the loan route a lot which worryingly we did under Locke . Not great imo and not inspiring me to buy my season ticket or maybe I’m just suffering from post Mcglynn syndrome I had it in my head that Locke didn't have that many loan signings - at least at the start. We did go down the trialist route which led to Coustrain, Osei and Thornsen. We also had the "marquee" signings of McManus and Skatchel (and let's not forget M'Voto or indeed, Chris 'mini messi' Johnston). It was only really Jordan Thompson and Scott Roberts to start with, wasn't it? Obviously Hardie came in later in January, and Roberts signing was made permanent. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but quite apart from Locke's dimsal instincts as a tactician, he was a fucking rotten judge of ability. All those signings, with the exception of Hardie, were rank. There does need to be some movement soon, no doubt but I wouldn't be surprised if it's only one in the CB position and then not even in time for P'Heid. Unless the trialist striker starts showing up a lot better (and let's face it, that's unlikely) then my guess is the striker signing likely will be a loanee with probably half the championship fighting over the same same three names. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I had it in my head that Locke didn't have that many loan signings - at least at the start. We did go down the trialist route which led to Coustrain, Osei and Thornsen. We also had the "marquee" signings of McManus and Skatchel (and let's not forget M'Voto or indeed, Chris 'mini messi' Johnston). It was only really Jordan Thompson and Scott Roberts to start with, wasn't it? Obviously Hardie came in later in January, and Roberts signing was made permanent. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but quite apart from Locke's dimsal instincts as a tactician, he was a fucking rotten judge of ability. All those signings, with the exception of Hardie, were rank. There does need to be some movement soon, no doubt but I wouldn't be surprised if it's only one in the CB position and then not even in time for P'Heid. Unless the trialist striker starts showing up a lot better (and let's face it, that's unlikely) then my guess is the striker signing likely will be a loanee with probably half the championship fighting over the same same three names.Wasn't McManus a loan? He was still with Fleetwood when with us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Broken Algorithms said: 37 minutes ago, renton said: I had it in my head that Locke didn't have that many loan signings - at least at the start. We did go down the trialist route which led to Coustrain, Osei and Thornsen. We also had the "marquee" signings of McManus and Skatchel (and let's not forget M'Voto or indeed, Chris 'mini messi' Johnston). It was only really Jordan Thompson and Scott Roberts to start with, wasn't it? Obviously Hardie came in later in January, and Roberts signing was made permanent. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but quite apart from Locke's dimsal instincts as a tactician, he was a fucking rotten judge of ability. All those signings, with the exception of Hardie, were rank. There does need to be some movement soon, no doubt but I wouldn't be surprised if it's only one in the CB position and then not even in time for P'Heid. Unless the trialist striker starts showing up a lot better (and let's face it, that's unlikely) then my guess is the striker signing likely will be a loanee with probably half the championship fighting over the same same three names. Wasn't McManus a loan? He was still with Fleetwood when with us. Maybe, I recall an 'outside' sponsor being involved with his wages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryBumpkin Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 56 minutes ago, Been going too long said: Everyone is different mate I have no idea what he has done / turned down and tbh neither do you. Generally I prefer our manager to get the business done sooner, agreed we can’t afford another keatings but I am just finding this pre season very frustrating and expressing that on a football forum. If we lose to Peterhead or Stirling or Dumbarton then he will be under a bit of pressure before the league kicks off and imo if we qualified from our group as best runner up( which I think we should/can ) we could get another good tie and bring in needed funds. I can only think we are going down the loan route a lot which worryingly we did under Locke . Not great imo and not inspiring me to buy my season ticket or maybe I’m just suffering from post Mcglynn syndrome I think we can assume to a fair degree that any players presented to Murray have not met his requirements. If we're going to play a high pressing game, we need quick centre backs who are comfortable in possession because we have to play a high line and be able to exploit teams when we get the ball back. I don't know how many of those are available to us right now. I can't see us picking up anyone in Scotland unless on loan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRFC_Liam Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 A lot of premiership teams are already back in pre season training and playing friendlies/bounce games already so if we are looking at the loan market for a CH or forward then I think it will be the next week or 2 before anything is clear/rumoured to be on that front 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 27 minutes ago, renton said: Maybe, I recall an 'outside' sponsor being involved with his wages. Think it was a loan, but wages were covered by sponsor. Lockes side is an example showing that getting business done early only works if you don't fill the squad with absolute shite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilted John Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, RRFC_Liam said: A lot of premiership teams are already back in pre season training and playing friendlies/bounce games already so if we are looking at the loan market for a CH or forward then I think it will be the next week or 2 before anything is clear/rumoured to be on that front You’re probably right with that. I wouldn’t be surprised if we faced Peterhead with the same squad we have just now. Thankfully they seem to be struggling too so it buys us a bit of time. With regards to Jim McInally’s piece on player recruitment, I don’t think it’s remotely comparable with our situation. Theirs is more to do with geography and presumably the cost of fuel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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