pub car king Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, RaithRovers1883 said: Interesting interview here with Josh Mullen, where he shows how highly he and other players apparently viewed Ian Murray: https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers-star-explains-flat-early-season-form-which-led-to-ian-murrays-shock-sacking-4748527?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0AOVjMKTt-b_Ki1bHyMwZEPWzWwbcHVYXCjfQMMtYuW27Qv9APz6FmpaY_aem_ui68MOmCVp0nW_E6qfviuw#Echobox=1724084728 Mullin states the players had a bit of a "hangover" from last season to explain the slow start. It is an interesting point how much did last season take out of the players and not just physically. We as fans were all in but the pressure must have mounted up for the players and manager as things came to a head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 I'm more shocked the FFP picked up the phone to contact a player rather than regurgitate a Raith TV interview. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldReekie Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 (edited) 11 hours ago, Paco said: I can understand why neutral fans were bewildered and it took most of our own support, myself included, by surprise too. However I’ve seen these do the rounds and I think it displays exactly what was meant by regression. . The blue line is from 1st of January (not change in manager like the title says) and it clearly shows how performances dropped significantly in the second half of the season. Without seeing the data, we could see as fans the performances had continued into the League Cup and the Airdrie match. Were we just meant to wait and hope it got better? It’s bold action certainly and time will tell whether it’s the right call. But the charts above showed what we saw from the stands last season - from January on, even when we were getting results, it was really because of individual moments (Vaughan at Ayr, Brown v Dundee Utd, O’Reilly at Dunfermline) rather than any coherent performance. Using the first half of your season as any kind of baseline is pretty harsh is it not? Pretty much everyone acknowledges first half was pretty atypical - the number of late goals to rescue or win games was exceptional. There was always likely to be at least some kind of regression to the norm. Almost every team has a dip in form during the season. The nature of results in the first half of the season made that dip more stark, but using this as retrospective justification for sacking Murray might be part of the reason you guys are struggling to get a manager to commit. Is a mid-season dip in form going to invite an unreasonable amount of pressure - is this now how managers are going to be judged? Longer this goes on, the more ridiculous the original decision looks and the more the Rovers support seem to tie themselves in knots justifying it. Edited August 20 by AuldReekie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 It's a reasonable bet to suggest this isn't going swimmingly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagpuss Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 The longer it goes on the more egg is on the face of the board. There was supposedly a cunning plan but it's looking more Baldrickian as time goes by. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, AuldReekie said: Using the first half of your season as any kind of baseline is pretty harsh is it not? Pretty much everyone acknowledges first half was pretty atypical - the number of late goals to rescue or win games was exceptional. There was always likely to be at least some kind of regression to the norm. Almost every team has a dip in form during the season. The nature of results in the first half of the season made that dip more stark, but using this as retrospective justification for sacking Murray might be part of the reason you guys are struggling to get a manager to commit. Is a mid-season dip in form going to invite an unreasonable amount of pressure - is this now how managers are going to be judged? Longer this goes on, the more ridiculous the original decision looks and the more the Rovers support seem to tie themselves in knots justifying it. Agreed. Justification of this decision will only come once the new manager is doing better than Murray did. That may never happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Wonder what number we’re at on this list of preferred replacements? I hear Yogi believes we have some guid honest laddies and he can get them playing the right way. He loves a relegation play-off. It gets his blood pumping. Just needs the chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossgatesCynic Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 At least the cladding gave folk something else to moan about. The manager hysteria is tedious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilted John Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 4 minutes ago, CrossgatesCynic said: At least the cladding gave folk something else to moan about. The manager hysteria is tedious. The funny thing on that one is that no one would even have moaned about the cladding running behind if we’d had a manager in by now. These trivial things only ever become an issue when larger issues exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, renton said: It's a reasonable bet to suggest this isn't going swimmingly. Fair to say that Peter Leven was one of our preferred candidates - he turned us down. Perhaps he isn't alone in that. Back to the McBookie list of doom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryBumpkin Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 minute ago, Michael W said: Fair to say that Peter Leven was one of our preferred candidates - he turned us down. Perhaps he isn't alone in that. Back to the McBookie list of doom. Or perhaps he is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghrover Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 (edited) If I were of a more optimistic mind I would suggest that we #trusttheprocess, however the longer it goes on the more i get the fear. Edited August 20 by edinburghrover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jives Miguel Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Must be concerning for big-spending Raith Rovers that few seem willing to manage them despite the budget and wages on offer. Worrying! -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Just now, Jives Miguel said: Must be concerning for big-spending Raith Rovers that few seem willing to manage them despite the budget and wages on offer. Worrying! Must be bewildering for some to see that the tired tropes might not be accurate after all! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithie Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 minutes ago, Jives Miguel said: Must be concerning for big-spending Raith Rovers that few seem willing to manage them despite the budget and wages on offer. Worrying! Just out of curiosity what is our budget and wages that are on offer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 minutes ago, CountryBumpkin said: Or perhaps he is? He's not. O'Carroll turned us down too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastie Russell Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 23 minutes ago, Michael W said: Fair to say that Peter Leven was one of our preferred candidates - he turned us down. Perhaps he isn't alone in that. Back to the McBookie list of doom. Make you wonder why he applied in the first place 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastie Russell Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 16 minutes ago, edinburghrover said: If I were of a more optimistic mind I would suggest that we #trusttheprocess, however the longer it goes on the more i get the fear. The longer it goes on the less we are likely to get a 'tracksuit filler' If it was all about simply filling the role, some muppet would have had the old scarf aloft photo by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghrover Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Perhaps he was approached? I've applied for jobs in the past with the idea being it would be good to have the experience of interview for posts at a certain level , perhaps that was his idea? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 14 minutes ago, Jives Miguel said: Must be concerning for big-spending Raith Rovers that few seem willing to manage them despite the budget and wages on offer. Worrying! I'm not concerned. I'm not 100% convinced sacking Murray was the right call and I'm so far quite underwhelmed with the list of candidates being linked. However I'm far from concerned about the prospects for the club. The f**king cladding needs done ASAP though 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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