Raithie Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Reserve game tonight been postponed to allow Craig Surgeon (groundsman) and his team time to get the pitch back in order for Saturday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 every penny of it should go towards the running costs and to our debt. the pitch was only as bad as it was on sunday due to the weather lately, it has been in good enough condition the rest of the season and im sure the guys who look after it will have it back to a good quality in no time Correct. The groundstaff do an excellent job, nothing they can do about the weather though. If we owe people money, give them what they're owed. Would've hoped for more than £125k from a live sellout though? Mind you, if we were charged for the 50-60 police that formed an escort between the away end and the Beveridge Park then I'm surprised we made anything at all... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithie Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Was speaking to a friend of mine who is in the police who said they had 100 police officers on duty for the Celtic game as opposed to about 12 for a normal league game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenockRover Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 every penny of it should go towards the running costs and to our debts..... ......The groundstaff do an excellent job, nothing they can do about the weather though. If we owe people money, give them what they're owed..... Stealing this to post it in every T'Rangers thread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildrover Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Spoke to one of the coppers at the game, 99 police on duty, but Rovers only get charged for 12 No that are inside the ground, he also said we owe £17K to the police, I take it that a chunk of our earnings will be going towards that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversMad Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Anybody else from here going to the meeting tonight re league reconstruction? 7pm in the Raith Suite, Think I'm gonna head down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Anybody else from here going to the meeting tonight re league reconstruction? 7pm in the Raith Suite, Think I'm gonna head down. I probably should go but I know what'll happen. Everyone will show up thinking it's shite. A director will say it's good and say how much more money we'll get from it. Everyone will think it's great. Nobody will realise we'll be in a relegation fight to the National League(s) every single fucking year nor will they consider meaningless mid-season matches and the impact these things will have on crowds. It's all about the extra prize money. The proposed system is fucking awful but everyone seems to have given in and decided it's as good as we'll get. With an attitude like that it is, anyway. Having said that the current system's unsustainable so maybe we're as well giving it a whirl. Edited February 5, 2013 by Paco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoversMad Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I probably should go but I know what'll happen. Everyone will show up thinking it's shite. A director will say it's good and say how much more money we'll get from it. Everyone will think it's great. Nobody will realise we'll be in a relegation fight to the National League(s) every single fucking year nor will they consider meaningless mid-season matches and the impact these things will have on crowds. It's all about the extra prize money. The proposed system is fucking awful but everyone seems to have given in and decided it's as good as we'll get. With an attitude like that it is, anyway. Having said that the current system's unsustainable so maybe we're as well giving it a whirl. I'm kind open minded to it now, I realise tonight will probably be all positive spin from the club but I'm interested in finding out the actual facts & figures. I think the 8-8-8 split is crazy, but I honestly think given guaranteed extra income we could be/become one of the top 4 in the 1st div meaning we'd be in the middle 8 with a chance to start the following season in the top 12 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I'm going along tonight, yes. (I'm already provisionally in favour of it all anyway, so there'll be at least one person who isn't hostile to the idea at the outset.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I'm not massively in favour of this particular idea, but I agree with those who say it's a step in the right direction. Probably will mean a couple of years of a ridiculous system, but hopefully by 2018 we should have a half-decent set up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Would've hoped for more than £125k from a live sellout though? Mind you, if we were charged for the 50-60 police that formed an escort between the away end and the Beveridge Park then I'm surprised we made anything at all... Its likely to be closer to £140+K,it was £82k for live TV alone,split gate,hospitality,half and half scarfs and factor in creaming 1,000 off a sell out of just over 8000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) I've copy pasted what I said on RFT.. That was a heck of a lot of information to take in, and a lot of confusing amongst fans at the meeting as to where financially Raith would be next season. Here's what I was able to gather...1. SPL teams heavily against 16 team top league2. Talks about league reconstruction going on for 3 years now.3. Self interest and block vote at the top made change impossible beforehand4. East Stiring and The Rangers heavily against 18 team league5. 18 team league wouldn't be any worse off financially6. Doomsday scenario that SPL will have a closed format of with two tiers of 10. If new proposals flop hard.7. Club lost £160k last season,they made cuts but it was offset by drop in attendence8. Raith would be £300k better off this season with new proposal based on their current position.9. Raith would likely use the new money from SPL to pay off debts over 4-6 year period. However, Turnball admited there was a risk that fans could put pressure on the board to "get the cheque book out" and spend more money on players as we'd more or less have the same standard of team we have now.10. If league reconstruction takes place next season it would probably take till the end of the decade to have a team that can compete with SPL1 clubs on a regular basis.11. Right now there is too big a financial gap between bottom of the SPL and top of division 1 thats created a "diddy bubble" and the "other diddies" over the last 12 years.12. Proposals to be implemented at the start of next season due to Clydesdale Bank ending their 5 year sponsorship.13. New proposals not ideal, but a step in the right direction. Fairer financial distribution and voting changes to prevent block voting at the top should be seem as the major positive change.14. Enough division 1 and SPL clubs in favour of proposals that it will happen regardless of what way Raith vote. Edited February 5, 2013 by Fotbawmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 What was the general mood at the meeting? Was there support for the reconstruction? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Fair enough to hear. It looks very much like a case that our main problem over the next few years will be to keep our core fanbase coming through the gates without being driven away. I'd suspect that if the proposals do go through then we'd be too poor to challenge the bigger clubs but large enough to see off the other smaller teams. Part of me is thinking that given the current financial plight of the Pars, we need to look at our long term strategy. Ultimately, this isn't an idea solution but were the Pars to go bust we'd lose a massive chunk of our income. This might just have to be the alternative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) What was the general mood at the meeting? Was there support for the reconstruction? As expected most wanted 16-10-16 and talked about all the flaws of having the 8-8-8 split. It seems the SPL have a shopping list and have told 1st divsion clubs to take it or leave it. Turnball has said he has no option due to financial pressures to accept the current proposals. Edited February 5, 2013 by Fotbawmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny86 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) What was the general mood at the meeting? Was there support for the reconstruction? Turnbull presented the facts and the state of affairs at the club, I think most people were in agreement that its in the best interest of the club, except one or 2 Edited February 5, 2013 by donny86 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I'm not massively in favour of this particular idea, but I agree with those who say it's a step in the right direction. Probably will mean a couple of years of a ridiculous system, but hopefully by 2018 we should have a half-decent set up. Conceding a near majority of the voting to the current SPL set up is not a step in the right direction. With the system we're looking at puting in place, there remains absolutely no chance of a larger top flight. A bit like now, really. The three leagues of 8 split is also an absolute travesty of a system. The extra money is all we'll get, and it won't make the clubs any less financially secure. Despite the best of intentions, it'll be chucked at gun-ho charges for the top 4; one club gambles, the rest will follow. I'm also concerned we seem to be consigning 18 clubs to the abyss - how can they be expected to compete? We're in danger of voting in our own self interest here despite (rightly) criticising the SPL for doing its self interest in the summer. Point 14 doesn't make sense. Do you mean there is enough support within the SFL regardless of which way we vote? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny86 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The bottom 18 or 10/10 will Mao be getting more prize money. I believe the figure quoted was they would receive the same as the club currently finishing 5th in the first division The main loser financially is 2nd place in the spl losing 500k 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 How much does a club currently finishing 5th in Division One receive, and how much do those clubs in the bottom tiers receive for their final standings? Proportionately, they're bound to lose out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny86 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think it was about 70k but can't remember the exact figure Coming top of the championship before the split would be worth over 400k more than currently and bottom of it over 100k more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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