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4 minutes ago, Herman Hessian said:

the days of folk breathlessly turning up at work on a Monday banging on about "the fantastic Spurs v West Ham game that was on yesterday" (in spite of them supporting Ipswich Town or whoever) are long gone; it's shirley just a case of over-exposure (leave it) as no-one's going to tune in to another turgid mid-week, mid-table encounter just for the sake of it; plenty of watchers for the big derbies, top of the table matches and cup finals, but that has always been the case and has nothing to do with the English game being 'the best in the world' (sic).

intrigued to know if this is just an age-related demographic thing, with just the older sorts (ie me) having had enough of mundane, wall to wall  non-events week in and week out - do younger folk still believe the hype, get the buzz and watch anything and everything, having set aside part of their meagre living wage to subscribe to 'the footie' along with contracts for the latest iPhone, Netflix, beard ointments and hipster gin - being compelled to watch the lot to get perceived value for money ???

I think there are a few things at work.

The novelty of the Premier League is long gone and I think it's lost a lot of its charm due to the avalanche of cash and the heavy-handedness of its marketing. People eventually get tired of that and I think we're seeing that.

Also, you can only go so far with fooling people into thinking they're watching quality. Like any other football competition in the world, the Premier League has some great games, some terrible games and lots of ok games. People notice that and eventually it seems a bit of a stretch to give up doing something else on a Sunday to watch two teams you don't care about play each other in what will probably be an ok game.

I think as well that it's now pretty easy to consider yourself a football fan despite never watching games. You can listen to a whole host of podcasts to keep up to date as well as seeing goals etc on youtube. A lot of people now are used to short, sharp bursts of entertainment and maybe don't fancy watching 90 minutes of football when they can just see the goals, listen to some podcasts and be totally up to date.

Whatever the reason, we know people aren't watching.

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I've probably only watched a handful of Champions League games over the past 5 years. And those would all have been semi-finals or finals. A few years ago I would have definitely have watched any matches involving Scottish teams, would definitely have made sure to watch the semis and final and would maybe watch a random game if I wasn't doing anything else.

Now I'll only watch a final / semi if someone I'm with wants to watch it.

I appreciate that the level of football is probably the highest you'll find but for me, it's so uncompetitive and samey from year to year, it's boring as f**k.

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2 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

I've probably only watched a handful of Champions League games over the past 5 years. And those would all have been semi-finals or finals. A few years ago I would have definitely have watched any matches involving Scottish teams, would definitely have made sure to watch the semis and final and would maybe watch a random game if I wasn't doing anything else.

Now I'll only watch a final / semi if someone I'm with wants to watch it.

I appreciate that the level of football is probably the highest you'll find but for me, it's so uncompetitive and samey from year to year, it's boring as f**k.

I think most people probably fall into the same category as you.

I rarely watch Champions League games either unless it's to be sociable (I've got mates who support Champions League teams). And like I said, the numbers show that most people are like us.

I think it's a great falsehood that people want to see 'good' football. Most people want to see exciting football and they want to see their team win. Quality doesn't really come into it, especially if what you're watching is a walkover or simply dull. It switches people off.

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4 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

I think most people probably fall into the same category as you.

I rarely watch Champions League games either unless it's to be sociable (I've got mates who support Champions League teams). And like I said, the numbers show that most people are like us.

I think it's a great falsehood that people want to see 'good' football. Most people want to see exciting football and they want to see their team win. Quality doesn't really come into it, especially if what you're watching is a walkover or simply dull. It switches people off.

Aye. I don't even look out for the scores now to be honest. I'll only know them when I chance upon them.

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3 hours ago, Herman Hessian said:

how 'bout if it's a cheese toastie, where the melted internal dairy-based comestible takes on the form of the radioactive sludge at the bottom of the chernobyl reactor core and exists at a temperature in excess of four billion degrees centigrade, and will dissolve your fingers if it comes in to contact with them ?

is it not acceptable to cut bits off with a knife and/or fork and blow them a bit, spreading crumbs, incandescent cheese micro-particles and germs around the place, before burning your mouth ?

or has a toastie ceased to be a sandwich and taken on a (half) life of its own, thereby being governed by an entirely different set of rules ?

asking for a friend...

Tell your friend that would be acceptable, but only if they are a paedo. Which itself, of course, is not acceptable.

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13 minutes ago, Cerberus said:

Air travel is the worst form of travel.
I hate everything about it.

Look at this utter Jeremy Hunt of a flight-
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Not much to go on there if you don't tell us the flight duration or even the time difference for us to work with.

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On the topic of eating etiquette , I often use a spoon for meals like Chilli con Carne or a curry rather than a knife and fork. Basically anything where the main part of the meal doesn’t require much , if any, effort to be cut and mashed tattles , rice or most types of pasta is the principal accompaniment is easier eaten with a spoon. 

I  hasten to add that I would bow to convention and use a knife and fork if I was in polite company .

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Air travel is the worst form of travel.
I hate everything about it.

Look at this utter Jeremy Hunt of a flight-
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Direct flight? Sweet. If it had multiple layovers in the US, I’d agree with you, but that’s a pretty sweet flight in terms of avoiding jet lag, and connections at either end.
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37 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Anyone who'd prefer 10 hours on a bus to 10 hours on a plane being served food, drink and watching shite is OFTW.

To be fair, the food on planes is minging. 

I agree with the main point of your argument though. 

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14 minutes ago, throbber said:

 


This isn’t actually correct, you lose much of your sense of taste when at higher altitudes which is why you perceive airline food to be pish when it’s really not.

 

I'm sure I read they fire a shitload of salt into airline food for this very reason or else it would taste as bland as a big bland thing. 

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