AL-FFC Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, RC_Bairn said: Scroll up and you'll see I listened to the podcast. The point I was making was that you were digging out previous boards for poor management recruitment yet conveniently forgot about Martin Rennie who is arguably one of the worst FFC managers in history - appointed by this board. Shiter indeed. Give it a rest ffs, we are where we are for a reason appointing any manager is a gamble lets look at Sheerin, Hartley and McKinnon for the previous boards so there's 3 examples or do you want to talk about the track record of signings for Hartleys heroes not to mention possibly the worst goalkeeper in FFC history in Leo Fasan not to mention an added factor to our financial woes in terminating contracts for players for either being sh*t or not living up to their hype. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinatoon Bairn Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Home to Dundee in the 4th round of the Trust Trophy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyBlueArmy1876 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Home to Dundee in the diddy diddy cup 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Home to Dundee in the challenge cup. Only positive being that is should be a 3k crowd that is not budgeted for. Say £10k after costs and splitting the gate. Chips away at that back hole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 At least it's at home this time, chance to get some payback after the previous cup tie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Said previously that the FSS has just been a victim of very unlucky circumstances” and timing. Earlier post said we’ve attracted thirtyish new sign-ups, since the statement was released. The uptake to say the least is very underwhelming given how dire the situation is. For me, I honestly believe that the current climate is biting far more intensive than many think. Add on the absolutely shite years and we’ve got the perfect storm. I’ve no doubt SA will be asked to help, and from what I’ve heard he’s been the saviour more than once, unless a major player is brought on board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartA Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, PedroMoutinho said: There are also clearly issues between the FSS and board/Patrons group. The FSS should be honest and open about what is going on- they are there to represent the Falkirk fans, not act as the gardening wing of the Patrons. Just wanted to respond on this point. There are no issues or problems between FSS and the patrons group, or FSS and the board. I don't know where this is coming from but it's simply untrue. Many of the patrons group are FSS members too. Happy to discuss with anyone who thinks that there is. We do need to get a shift on and appoint a new director, that's a fair criticism. No reason for the delay other than taking a breath and all of us having lives/jobs etc. We plan to communicate to members about that this week. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Frankly the financial situation is looking very worrying to me. We are heading for a huge unfunded loss (which will actually be higher in all likelihood given the very optimistic commercial targets). It’s now looking like we’re going to need to go cap in hand to the MSG who the vast majority of fans including the current board wanted rid of. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the likes of MR tell the new board to sling their hooks in all honesty given the personal acrimony. There are also clearly issues between the FSS and board/Patrons group. The FSS should be honest and open about what is going on- they are there to represent the Falkirk fans, not act as the gardening wing of the Patrons. I’m not sure re the split between FSS and the patrons, but it’s extremely worrying to me that the club may be dependent on soft loans or shares being purchased by the very people that there was almost unanimous criticism, and a desire to see out of the club not that long ago.Feels like really desperate times and understandable re the frustration expressed re the lack of fans investment in the club to date… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggerG Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 36 minutes ago, RC_Bairn said: Scroll up and you'll see I listened to the podcast. The point I was making was that you were digging out previous boards for poor management recruitment yet conveniently forgot about Martin Rennie who is arguably one of the worst FFC managers in history - appointed by this board. Shiter indeed. The difference being that the previous board would have given Rennie a two year deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy1876 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, StuartA said: We do need to get a shift on and appoint a new director, that's a fair criticism. No reason for the delay other than taking a breath and all of us having lives/jobs etc. We plan to communicate to members about that this week. Just to say what I said was not meant as a criticism as I think FSS is a great plan and idea, was more a point of wondering what had happened or if there was some change where there might not be a new board member. Thanks for the explanation and fair enough, these are big jobs for people to do in their spare time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboccop Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, gav-ffc said: What about being able to up it to £15 a month rather than the next jump being £20? You çan. You just change the amount you send by PayPal manually. It does meant you will have to cancel the current payment and rejoin but there’s no downside to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggerG Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, roman_bairn said: I’m not sure re the split between FSS and the patrons, but it’s extremely worrying to me that the club may be dependent on soft loans or shares being purchased by the very people that there was almost unanimous criticism, and a desire to see out of the club not that long ago. Feels like really desperate times and understandable re the frustration expressed re the lack of fans investment in the club to date… I'm not entirely sure that fans wanted rid of the MSG, they wanted them to relinquish their power. There were of course many people who, not only wanted rid of them, but would have happily seen them hung drawn and quartered however! I don't know either MR or SA personally but, as I understand things, both have come to our rescue in the past so I can't personally see any reason why they couldn't be considered as 'another leg of the stool'? I'm sure there will be a queue of people that will tell me why that would be a bad idea though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caractacus Potts Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, Roboccop said: You çan. You just change the amount you send by PayPal manually. It does meant you will have to cancel the current payment and rejoin but there’s no downside to that. How about the issue with the £5/month option regarding voting rights. Doesn’t make sense to me as being an issue if there is no more rights for those who pay more? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatapyBairn. Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said: How about the issue with the £5/month option regarding voting rights. Doesn’t make sense to me as being an issue if there is no more rights for those who pay more? I can see the reasoning behind it, the whole principal of a fan/community run organisation like the FSS is not only to raise finance but to give regular fans a say on how our club is ran regardless of how much money they have, it absolutely needs to be one member one vote. Whether the best minimum membership fee is £5, £10 or £20 a month is up for debate but I think there does need to be a minimum amount set for the group to maximise its ability to raise the funds required not only to purchase the target 26% shareholding but also to help improve the clubs finances going forward. Many fans/members will continue to be happy donating over and above the set minimum as is already happening not because they seek further voting capacity but because they believe in the project and want to see it and the club succeed. Edited October 4, 2022 by LatapyBairn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caractacus Potts Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, LatapyBairn. said: I can see the reasoning behind it, the whole principal of a fan/community run organisation like the FSS is not only to raise finance but to give give regular fans a say in how our club is ran regardless of how much money they have, it absolutely needs to be one member one vote. Whether the minimum membership fee a £5, £10 or £20 a month is up for debate but I think there does need to be a minimum amount. I agree. Asking as the reason cited for not doing £5 was because of the voting rights but you get no more for paying above £10 so see no reason it should be an issue for paying £5. Just gives the option for those who can’t stretch to £10/month. Maybe there should be a vote on whether it should be introduced? Easiest way to sort it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I agree. Asking as the reason cited for not doing £5 was because of the voting rights but you get no more for paying above £10 so see no reason it should be an issue for paying £5. Just gives the option for those who can’t stretch to £10/month. Maybe there should be a vote on whether it should be introduced? Easiest way to sort it. Aye. If the facility exists to pay more then where the floor sits is irrelevant. If there is an issue with voting then that issue surely exists the same for someone who pays in 5 where others pay 10, as it does for someone paying 10 where others pay 20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatapyBairn. Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 35 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said: I agree. Asking as the reason cited for not doing £5 was because of the voting rights but you get no more for paying above £10 so see no reason it should be an issue for paying £5. Just gives the option for those who can’t stretch to £10/month. Maybe there should be a vote on whether it should be introduced? Easiest way to sort it. Aye. If the facility exists to pay more then where the floor sits is irrelevant. If there is an issue with voting then that issue surely exists the same for someone who pays in 5 where others pay 10, as it does for someone paying 10 where others pay 20 The question is deciding what the optimum minimum membership fee is, I actually think £10 is about the right balance but perhaps lowering it to £5 would encourage enough extra members joining to make it a good move financially. The other side of the coin is obviously people who would have paid the £10 possibly opting to lower contributions to £5 which could result in less overall income, some members may chose to do this and nobody really knows if lowering the minimum membership fee would have a net positive or negative impact on the overall pot raised each month. Edited October 4, 2022 by LatapyBairn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe The Hype Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 33 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said: I agree. Asking as the reason cited for not doing £5 was because of the voting rights but you get no more for paying above £10 so see no reason it should be an issue for paying £5. Just gives the option for those who can’t stretch to £10/month. Maybe there should be a vote on whether it should be introduced? Easiest way to sort it. I thought I pointed out the logic pretty clear. If you want to pay more then that's up to you, paying less than what was the minimum and asking for the same advantages is where the difference clearly lies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe The Hype Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 33 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said: I agree. Asking as the reason cited for not doing £5 was because of the voting rights but you get no more for paying above £10 so see no reason it should be an issue for paying £5. Just gives the option for those who can’t stretch to £10/month. Maybe there should be a vote on whether it should be introduced? Easiest way to sort it. I thought I pointed out the logic pretty clear. If you want to pay more then that's up to you, paying less than what was the minimum and asking for the same advantages is where the difference clearly lies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, RC_Bairn said: Scroll up and you'll see I listened to the podcast. The point I was making was that you were digging out previous boards for poor management recruitment yet conveniently forgot about Martin Rennie who is arguably one of the worst FFC managers in history - appointed by this board. Shiter indeed. ……….that’s all fine and well as a critique provided that you brush context under the rug in the hope that no-one mentions it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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