Falkirk_Bairn_1983 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Was 3 of Falkirk's wins after the new year last season not against Brechin? I mind Hartley went through a 2 or 3 week spell of actively trying to get games postponed. Yes we did beat Brechin 3 times but we also picked up another 7 wins against other teams. Hartley must regret making so many changes now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gaz said: Yep, absolutely. They still gave the same points. Most teams had three or four wins against Brechin last season, do we start making up new league tables with teams having 9 or 12 less points? You'd probably find the final league placings would still be the same if you take everyone's results against Brechin out of the equation. With that in mind, Hartley didn't improve Falkirk at all last season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Duncan Freemason said: ..........and now we desperately need Ray McKinnon to do that very thing. His recruitment from here on in has to be bang on the money. It won’t be too difficult to find better replacements for Hartley’s Horrors. Thing is, “better” might still not be good enough. The last four years, 9th place has amassed 27, 31, 30, and 37 points. To reach the upper figure of 37 points in the 28 remaining games, we’d need to win 8, draw 10 lose 10. Figures that seem complete pie in the sky for the current squad. I'd like to see him going down a longer term route than Hartley who paid for last seasons signings this season with there being no continuity. However, given the fact that Mckinnon is in a much worse position than Hartley was last season regarding the squad beggars cant really be choosers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) That we finished up 17 points ahead of Dumbarton makes it look like we were never in danger, but it was really only the last few games that the gulf became insurmountable for them. They kind of threw the towel in at that point, and we had a couple of wins against an already promoted St Mirren, with their players already on holiday. Hartley did what was necessary, but he certainly didn’t transform performances (other than the DU game which was when they officially disintegrated). Edited October 11, 2018 by Duncan Freemason 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Just now, TheScarf said: You'd probably find the final league placings would still be the same if you take everyone's results against Brechin out of the equation. With that in mind, Hartley didn't improve Falkirk at all last season. We would've gone down if Houston had stayed in charge its as simple as that. Hartley certainly improved us . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheScarf said: You'd probably find the final league placings would still be the same if you take everyone's results against Brechin out of the equation. With that in mind, Hartley didn't improve Falkirk at all last season. By the time he was able to make his improvements to our dreadful squad, we were five points behind 8th place. By the end of the season, we were seventeen points ahead of 9th. That's a considerable improvement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Just now, Shodwall cat said: We would've gone down if Houston had stayed in charge its as simple as that. Hartley certainly improved us . You'll know better than me if he did performance-wise. Points-wise is debatable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BendtnerBairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I just had a look at the team who beat St Mirren 1-0 on the last day of the season. Actually mental how much its changed. If that team was tidied up with 3-4 quality additions we could have done some damage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BendtnerBairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 https://www.worldfootball.net/report/championship-2017-2018-falkirk-fc-st-mirren-fc_2/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn Necessities Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Shodwall cat said: May, Pressley, Holt, Houston, Hartley. All failed miserably in the recruitment stakes which has resulted in us getting worse and worse over the past ten years. If we are to eventually reach the holy grail this is the area that we must turn around completely. Jobby McCall managed to get us from relegation material to cruising the league in one summer so it is entirely possible to see a vast improvement in the short term if the right players are brought in. However, we cant continue to have our successful signings very much in the minority though as has happened since Hughes's final season in post. Hughes did also. The season after the Awfulview season we romped the league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bairn Necessities said: Hughes did also. The season after the Awfulview season we romped the league. Took him two seasons though. His recruitment was feckin awful in his first season. Edited October 11, 2018 by Shodwall cat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TheScarf said: You'll know better than me if he did performance-wise. Points-wise is debatable. Under Houston we had 3 pts in 7 games. 0.43 pts a game including matches v Brechin and Dumbarton. Hartley was 41 points in 28 games at 1.46 pts a game so I think we can safely say he did. Edited October 11, 2018 by Shodwall cat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said: Took him two seasons though. His recruitment was feckin awful in his first season. Hugely unfair to blame him, though. We didn't even know what league we were going to be playing in. That would have had a massive impact on potential budget and players willing to come to us. By the time that was sorted out all the decent recruitment had already taken place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TheScarf said: You'll know better than me if he did performance-wise. Points-wise is debatable. 0.43 points per game under Houston. Hartley was 1.43 points per game over the whole of last season's tenure. If we're counting the games past January when he was actually able to do something about our awful squad it was 1.83 points per game. These are facts, not opinions. You can't debate facts. Edited October 11, 2018 by Gaz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdiBairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, gav-ffc said: Correct. Should’ve been shown the door after the Dundee United play off games imo. "Shown the door" for failing to beat a team with double our budget? Behave. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gaz said: Hugely unfair to blame him, though. We didn't even know what league we were going to be playing in. That would have had a massive impact on potential budget and players willing to come to us. By the time that was sorted out all the decent recruitment had already taken place. We were told on the 23rd of May that we weren't getting promoted. That gave him the whole summer to sign players for fecks sake. More than enough time to assemble a decent balanced squad of players. Instead we had a squad with 9 central midfielders and one striker after christmas. He also signed Jim Sharpe and played him 30 times which is utterly criminal. He made a total James Hunt of that season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, EdiBairn said: "Shown the door" for failing to beat a team with double our budget? Behave. United were piss poor mind you and after taking a 2-2 draw back to Westfield we should've had the tie sewn up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faedenny Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 agree - hartley came in when we were 8th and ended last season we were 8th - kept us afloat ..just, thankfully for brechin and dumbarton in the league we survived. but he didnt improve us, the jak and nelson were the highliught of last season and if we got them returned in summer maybe, just maybe the summer signings wouldnt have been the clusterf4ck that we are. but they didnt and we are so happy to see him punted. agree with houston comments - we did well under him for the time in charge, but again i agree he shouldve went after we failed promotion in the last playoffs. took us as far as he could. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, faedenny said: kept us afloat ..just We finished 17 points ahead of 9th. Seriously, I'm all for folk having a dig where it's merited, but no idea why folk just make stuff up. Hartley improved us considerably in January. You might not like it, but that's a fact. The statistics show it. Edited October 11, 2018 by Gaz 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdiBairn Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Gaz said: We finished 17 points ahead of 9th. Seriously, I'm all for folk having a dig where it's merited, but no idea why folk just make stuff up. Hartley improved us considerably in January. You might not like it, but that's a fact. The statistics show it. How is taking us from 8th to 8th an improvement by any stretch of the imagination? It's standing still at best. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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