The Falkirk FC Thread

[AGPar]

1 hour ago, Bantabairn said:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5779956/dundee-united-crowdfunding-appeal-hearts-partick-thistle/

Is this the same Dundee United with a wages to turnover ratio of 133%? The same Dundee United who, precisely one week ago, were going all out to try and get a former England manager to take their managerial position? None of these clubs met the criteria for promotion. Took their promotions and did not want to know about anything else. No interest in an independent enquiry (I wonder why), no interest in league reconstruction. The buffoon of a Raith chairman's reasoning for voting against 14-10-10-10 basically amounted to "we could not be arsed". Turning out to be a hell of an expensive "promotion". Shame. Hope they are squeezed dry. Bung them a fiver each. 

[Grangemouth Bairn]

1 hour ago, AGPar said:

Is this the same Dundee United with a wages to turnover ratio of 133%? The same Dundee United who, precisely one week ago, were going all out to try and get a former England manager to take their managerial position? None of these clubs met the criteria for promotion. Took their promotions and did not want to know about anything else. No interest in an independent enquiry (I wonder why), no interest in league reconstruction. The buffoon of a Raith chairman's reasoning for voting against 14-10-10-10 basically amounted to "we could not be arsed". Turning out to be a hell of an expensive "promotion". Shame. Hope they are squeezed dry. Bung them a fiver each. 

Raith have already had their begging bowl out during what’s already a tough time economically for a lot of people.

Shameful that they even think it’s ok to consider again.

[Shadwell Dog]

2 hours ago, AGPar said:

Is this the same Dundee United with a wages to turnover ratio of 133%? The same Dundee United who, precisely one week ago, were going all out to try and get a former England manager to take their managerial position? None of these clubs met the criteria for promotion. Took their promotions and did not want to know about anything else. No interest in an independent enquiry (I wonder why), no interest in league reconstruction. The buffoon of a Raith chairman's reasoning for voting against 14-10-10-10 basically amounted to "we could not be arsed". Turning out to be a hell of an expensive "promotion". Shame. Hope they are squeezed dry. Bung them a fiver each. 

They mustve got a few bob compo off hearts for Neilson too.

[AL-FFC]

23 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

They mustve got a few bob compo off hearts for Neilson too.

Aye but they need to agree compensation with Tranmere for their manager..  For the shit thats been caused why would any club agree to help clubs are already going to struggle financially due to games being behind closed doors why would you put another noose around your neck. 

[TxRover]

3 hours ago, AL-FFC said:

Might sound a bit sour grapes but those clubs that wanted to support the resolution should fund it not the ones that voted against it.  There will be a lot more to come out of this with the judge ordering Doncaster to release all the files relating to it and the vote, the judge found in favour of Hearts and Partick in 2 out of the 3 petitions.

Actually, Hearts+ got one ruling, one is on hold while going to arbitration (certainly not a Hearts+ win), and one was denied and referred to arbitration (Hearts+ loss). On the legal fee front, I suspect the clubs in the SFPL will pass some rules regarding the SFPL reimbursing clubs for fees related to defending suits such as this in future, otherwise a nasty precedent might be set for chucking up lawsuits to try to force a decision by a club that can’t afford to defend itself. Quite a few clubs will look at this fiasco and see themselves potentially on the block in the future for another unforeseen event.

[welshbairn]

4 hours ago, AL-FFC said:

Might sound a bit sour grapes but those clubs that wanted to support the resolution should fund it not the ones that voted against it.  There will be a lot more to come out of this with the judge ordering Doncaster to release all the files relating to it and the vote, the judge found in favour of Hearts and Partick in 2 out of the 3 petitions.

If Hearts and Thistle win everyone will get fucked, whether they voted for or against. As it happens they probably won't and will get left to pay the costs between them, meaning Hearts on their own. 

[AL-FFC]

6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

If Hearts and Thistle win everyone will get fucked, whether they voted for or against. As it happens they probably won't and will get left to pay the costs between them, meaning Hearts on their own. 

I get the feeling the outcome of this is going to be some sort of moral victory for Hearts and Partick but i reckon the SPFL are going to be left with egg on their face with the release of the files.  The fact this sort of thing has never happened before will no doubt go in their favour but the rest of it is a shambles.

 

[AGPar]

25 minutes ago, TxRover said:

Actually, Hearts+ got one ruling, one is on hold while going to arbitration (certainly not a Hearts+ win), and one was denied and referred to arbitration (Hearts+ loss). On the legal fee front, I suspect the clubs in the SFPL will pass some rules regarding the SFPL reimbursing clubs for fees related to defending suits such as this in future, otherwise a nasty precedent might be set for chucking up lawsuits to try to force a decision by a club that can’t afford to defend itself. Quite a few clubs will look at this fiasco and see themselves potentially on the block in the future for another unforeseen event.

Your club have had zero compunction about voting to inflict considerable financial hardship on other clubs. If you cannot afford to participate in the arbitration process, put the begging bowls away and withdraw.

[Newbornbairn]

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“We have, from the very start of this process, supported the idea of league reconstruction and have made this clear in all our communications.

“We would support a move to an SPFL Premiership of 14 clubs and 3 leagues below that of 10 each but will seriously consider any alternative model which emerges.”

15th April

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CHAIRMAN Bill Clark has confirmed that Raith Rovers voted against league reconstruction as he compared the uncertainty which has ravaged Scottish football to riding a ghost train.

Just 16 of the SPFL’s 42 member clubs backed the proposed 14-10-10-10 revamp in Monday’s indicative ballot, condemning Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer to the drop, and robbing Brora Rangers and Kelty Hearts of a crack at League Two.

16th June

 

 

Aye, you're no laughin' noo ya c**t.

[Guest]

Raith Rovers have just made a c**t of themselves all summer, they ain’t going to stop now

[Marshmallo]

13 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said:

Raith Rovers have just made a c**t of themselves all summer, they ain’t going to stop now

They got promoted and have cried and cried about the process more than any other club in the country.

[Grangemouth Bairn]

11 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

They got promoted and have cried and cried about the process more than any other club in the country.

They had that Andy Mill, who’s just a cheesy salesman, to beg to their fans about 2 or 3 months ago and now they are doing the same again.

[AL-FFC]

12 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

They had that Andy Mill, who’s just a cheesy salesman, to beg to their fans about 2 or 3 months ago and now they are doing the same again.

Except this time they have the audacity to ask the fellow member clubs to help them out financially, hope GD has responded to their plea for cash

We need cash to see them through the pandemic, we need cash for our legal fees next it will be plea for more funds tor their squad cause they have no cash left because of the other 2.

[TxRover]

1 hour ago, AGPar said:

Your club have had zero compunction about voting to inflict considerable financial hardship on other clubs. If you cannot afford to participate in the arbitration process, put the begging bowls away and withdraw.

Raith, like every other club, voted in their own self interest, so you can f**k right off about that. The appeal for cash looks awful, but it seems likely that DundeeU spearheaded that drive and we’re along for the ride, so that sucks.

As for the change of position, I’m not in any position to say why, and I didn’t care for the switch, but even if we had voted for reconstruction, the Premiership vote doomed it anyway. With regard to the vote inflicting fiscal hardship, that’s like saying that Raith not giving Falkirk a win during the shortened season showed zero compunction about inflicting hardship on Falkirk. Hearts, Partick and Stranraer all did the vast majority of inflicting fiscal hardship upon themselves by playing like shit. Partick have the only real argument of the three, just as Falkirk are the most aggrieved of the contenders, but in the end, each team made their own bed and when the music stopped, that’s the way the chips fell. Was it fair, not really...was it the best choice, not really...was it the choice made by the teams voting, yep.

There’s the place for the blame, everyone votes for their interest, so why were we surprised? Because the SPFL has never placed any rules about a shortened season, there was an unseemly scramble to figure it out. Given that a number of clubs had business interruption insurance, it seems pretty criminal that the SPFL never addressed the lack of any plan for a necessary shutdown. Does the SPFL have any provisions for what happens if a team is “lost” to an accident? If they were willing to plan for that, not planning for a shutdown for an unknown reason seems foolish.

[Newbornbairn]

Used to think of Raith as the cuddly Fifers. Their new Chairman has turned them into two-faced whining bitches. 

[AL-FFC]

2 minutes ago, TxRover said:

Raith, like every other club, voted in their own self interest, so you can f**k right off about that. The appeal for cash looks awful, but it seems likely that DundeeU spearheaded that drive and we’re along for the ride, so that sucks.

As for the change of position, I’m not in any position to say why, and I didn’t care for the switch, but even if we had voted for reconstruction, the Premiership vote doomed it anyway. With regard to the vote inflicting fiscal hardship, that’s like saying that Raith not giving Falkirk a win during the shortened season showed zero compunction about inflicting hardship on Falkirk. Hearts, Partick and Stranraer all did the vast majority of inflicting fiscal hardship upon themselves by playing like shit. Partick have the only real argument of the three, just as Falkirk are the most aggrieved of the contenders, but in the end, each team made their own bed and when the music stopped, that’s the way the chips fell. Was it fair, not really...was it the best choice, not really...was it the choice made by the teams voting, yep.

There’s the place for the blame, everyone votes for their interest, so why were we surprised? Because the SPFL has never placed any rules about a shortened season, there was an unseemly scramble to figure it out. Given that a number of clubs had business interruption insurance, it seems pretty criminal that the SPFL never addressed the lack of any plan for a necessary shutdown. Does the SPFL have any provisions for what happens if a team is “lost” to an accident? If they were willing to plan for that, not planning for a shutdown for an unknown reason seems foolish.

Your chairmans actions throughout this while debacle has been nothing short of cringeworthy championing the cause for reconstruction then voting against it then when the initial call to end of season took place demanding that Raith be declared champions and nothing less would be acceptable.

Theres voting for self interest and theres taking the piss in expecting the rest of the clubs to fund your legal case

[Reggie Perrin]

Except this time they have the audacity to ask the fellow member clubs to help them out financially, hope GD has responded to their plea for cash
We need cash to see them through the pandemic, we need cash for our legal fees next it will be plea for more funds tor their squad cause they have no cash left because of the other 2.

The Raith Chairman and other Directors should put their hands in their own pockets to cover the costs of this farce.
I would be furious if we gave them anything other than a massive f**k you.

[gav-ffc]

Quite frankly couldn’t give two tosses about Raith and their chairmen.

Announce some c**t so we can write them off before pulling on the jersey plz.

[AGPar]

8 minutes ago, TxRover said:

Raith, like every other club, voted in their own self interest, so you can f**k right off about that. The appeal for cash looks awful, but it seems likely that DundeeU spearheaded that drive and we’re along for the ride, so that sucks.

As for the change of position, I’m not in any position to say why, and I didn’t care for the switch, but even if we had voted for reconstruction, the Premiership vote doomed it anyway. With regard to the vote inflicting fiscal hardship, that’s like saying that Raith not giving Falkirk a win during the shortened season showed zero compunction about inflicting hardship on Falkirk. Hearts, Partick and Stranraer all did the vast majority of inflicting fiscal hardship upon themselves by playing like shit. Partick have the only real argument of the three, just as Falkirk are the most aggrieved of the contenders, but in the end, each team made their own bed and when the music stopped, that’s the way the chips fell. Was it fair, not really...was it the best choice, not really...was it the choice made by the teams voting, yep.

There’s the place for the blame, everyone votes for their interest, so why were we surprised? Because the SPFL has never placed any rules about a shortened season, there was an unseemly scramble to figure it out. Given that a number of clubs had business interruption insurance, it seems pretty criminal that the SPFL never addressed the lack of any plan for a necessary shutdown. Does the SPFL have any provisions for what happens if a team is “lost” to an accident? If they were willing to plan for that, not planning for a shutdown for an unknown reason seems foolish.

I'm a Falkirk fan. This is the Falkirk thread. I won't be f***ing off anywhere. Where is your evidence that Dundee United are "spearheading this drive"? And even if they were, is your clown of a chairman and whoever else runs your club incapable of independent thought? Why are you "along for the ride" when you blatantly, patently do not have the cash for it? Your club were under no obligation to participate in the proceedings of last week. They would have done so, presumably, in the full knowledge that (a) the motion to dismiss the case in its entirety could be refused (it was) and (b) that it would be referred to the SFA for arbitration (it has been). And that none of this is coming cheaply. And as long ago as, let's see, Friday afternoon, they released a statement confirming their satisfaction with this outcome. Three days later however, the begging bowls are out and the bleating has begun. Still, Fulham have just bunged you a few quid for one of your players, so that should cover a legal bill or two.

Whether reconstruction would have failed or not is utterly irrelevant. Raith were the prime beneficiaries of this shambles, more than any other club, and had the opportunity, at absolutely no cost whatsoever to themselves, to right the wrong done to others. They chose not to do so. Hoped that this whole disgrace would be swept under the carpet, Budge and Low would just shrug their shoulders and, what was the phrase used by the sanctimonious idiot at Ross County, "take their medicine"? Fortunately they are not willing to do so and whoever is backing them in this has deep enough pockets to see this all the way.

And nope, sufficient teams did not vote for it. I mean, why is this myth still being peddled?  The SPFL laweyer has admitted receipt of the Dundee No vote at 16:48 on Friday 10th April. The resolution failed at that precise moment. Everything from that point on is invalid.

 

[AL-FFC]

Think i read by the time the arbitration is done the legal bill will be in the region of 150k