Shodwall cat Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 42 minutes ago, Chinatoon Bairn said: No debate to be had over the Oliver red card. Stonewaller, was right behind it. Really? From the highlights it maybe hits his hand but both his arms are held close in to his body to prevent him giving away a penalty. His arms weren't preventing the ball going into the net then. There's no way he was making his body any bigger which is why handballs are given. Not sure what players are meant to do if you get pens given for your arms being outside your normal body shape and pens given for having your arms tight into your body. I wouldn't see it as a penalty never mind a red card. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FK1Bairn Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 It's hard to tell where the ball strikes him, gut reaction was its a penalty and red card but watching it a few times the ball seems to hit his upper arm which is tucked into the side of his body. Wouldn't waste money appealing it either as there's no guarantee we'd win. The suspension is effective in next seasons League Cup by which time he might not be our player anyway 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn in Exile Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blame Me said: Next time I'll post we'll take a doing and shouldn't even bother turning up as the opposition are a shoe-in to win! Sorry for my optimism . You must've been ecstatic you could post that when you saw the score. What a life! Of course not, I was as disappointed as everybody else. We are what we are, a top-end League 1 side. If McGlynn manages to get us promoted he will have a massive rebuild on his hands. Sorry for my pessimism. realism Edited August 31, 2022 by Bairn in Exile -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, FK1Bairn said: It's hard to tell where the ball strikes him, gut reaction was its a penalty and red card but watching it a few times the ball seems to hit his upper arm which is tucked into the side of his body. Wouldn't waste money appealing it either as there's no guarantee we'd win. The suspension is effective in next seasons League Cup by which time he might not be our player anyway The refs look after themselves so unless it's blatantly obvious or you're the old firm you just waste money appealing. If his arm is tucked in it should be no penalty simple as that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bairn in Exile said: Of course not, I was as disappointed as everybody else. We are what we are, a top-end League 1 side. If McGlynn manages to get us promoted he will have a massive rebuild on his hands. Sorry for my pessimism. Main disappointment watching the highlights is that the goals are all avoidable. First one is a shocking kick out when we are bang in the game. Second one is a simple header from a corner. I still see us too weak at defending cross balls. We looked shaky on Saturday against crosses and that's a bad one to lose last night. The third wasn't even a pen in my book but again was caused by our failure to deal with a corner properly. Without Henderson we are once again a team full of midgets Donaldson and allegria apart.We didn't really make them work hard enough for thede goals. Different if they score worldies or we're undone by superb passing etc but we made it a bit easy for Dundee last night. Edited August 31, 2022 by Shodwall cat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinatoon Bairn Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 40 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said: Really? From the highlights it maybe hits his hand but both his arms are held close in to his body to prevent him giving away a penalty. His arms weren't preventing the ball going into the net then. There's no way he was making his body any bigger which is why handballs are given. Not sure what players are meant to do if you get pens given for your arms being outside your normal body shape and pens given for having your arms tight into your body. I wouldn't see it as a penalty never mind a red card. Eye test soon is it? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) That's just after contact though when the force has twisted his body round. The balls left his body at that point. When the ball actually hits him he's square on.He's moved his body towards the ball yes and the balls possibly come off his forearm which is tight into his chest but no penalty for me.. His arms aren't outstretched or outside his natural silhouette. If it misses his arm it's hitting his body. Edited August 31, 2022 by Shodwall cat 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FK1Bairn Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said: The refs look after themselves so unless it's blatantly obvious or you're the old firm you just waste money appealing. If his arm is tucked in it should be no penalty simple as that. That's the thing, it's not blatantly obvious that it's the wrong decision. There are posters on here who were at the game who thought it was a penalty, there are others not at the game like you and I who also thought it was a penalty. If it's a penalty its a red card. It's one of those we'd be claiming down the other end. There's also very little protest other than Morrison Edited August 31, 2022 by FK1Bairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinatoon Bairn Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said: That's just after contact though when the force has twisted his body round. The balls left his body at that point. When the ball actually hits him he's square on.He's moved his body towards the ball yes and the balls possibly come off his forearm which is tight into his chest but no penalty for me.. His arms aren't outstretched or outside his natural silhouette. If it misses his arm it's hitting his body. Mental gymnastics. Pen, red. End of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 43 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said: That's just after contact though when the force has twisted his body round. The balls left his body at that point. When the ball actually hits him he's square on.He's moved his body towards the ball yes and the balls possibly come off his forearm which is tight into his chest but no penalty for me.. His arms aren't outstretched or outside his natural silhouette. If it misses his arm it's hitting his body. Balls travelled nearly 12 yards by time it hits Oliver. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Chinatoon Bairn said: Mental gymnastics. Pen, red. End of. The rules state you need to make your body bigger . Hitting you on the arm wrapped in front of your chest isn't doing that in any manner. If his arms are out from his body then yes stonewall but they aren't. So according to the rules it's no a pen. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 24 minutes ago, FK1Bairn said: That's the thing, it's not blatantly obvious that it's the wrong decision. There are posters on here who were at the game who thought it was a penalty, there are others not at the game like you and I who also thought it was a penalty. If it's a penalty its a red card. It's one of those we'd be claiming down the other end. There's also very little protest other than Morrison We'd be claiming if it hit his head mind you but then looking back after the match I'd be saying mmm got a big lucky with that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, gav-ffc said: Balls travelled nearly 12 yards by time it hits Oliver. Distance only matters if your arms are outside your body anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Fuxake shodders. Pen and red and we move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Thought it wasn’t a pen last night but looking at the highlights the ref called it right. He’s unlucky as I think his arms went up to protect him but he does use them to deflect the ball away. FullSizeRender.MOV Edited August 31, 2022 by Guest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairney Rubble Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said: The rules state you need to make your body bigger . Hitting you on the arm wrapped in front of your chest isn't doing that in any manner. If his arms are out from his body then yes stonewall but they aren't. So according to the rules it's no a pen. Wrong. Arms not in a natural position so it is a pen. One of the few things the ref got right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodwall cat Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bairney Rubble said: Wrong. Arms not in a natural position so it is a pen. One of the few things the ref got right. The unnatural position rubbish ain't part of the rules any more. They simply state: touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shodwall cat Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Some people think it's a pen some don't simple as that. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamAnt Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Shodwall cat said: The unnatural position rubbish ain't part of the rules any more. They simply state: touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. Eh that’s a bit of contradiction 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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