lodmoorhill Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Quite. ... and, at current rate of spending, when the tribute act goes under, who will be the tribute act's Tribute Act? ? Obvious one that. It would have to be David Gold from West Ham. The conspiracy theorists in Govan would have the full set then, Green, Whyte and Gold......... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killingfloorman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Effectively it means the assets were valued at £33m I think, the floating charge plus the £5.5m bid. Might rule out a challenge on it being sold under value, but it would lead to a whole lot of fun Serious question for the Sevco fans on here. Why on earth are you not constantly lobbying the msm for answers? It's obvious that crooks (from Minty onwards) have been and are plundering your club. If you are as well supported as you claim to be, why don't you use that leverage to demand answers? Just curious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Serious question for the Sevco fans on here. Why on earth are you not constantly lobbying the msm for answers? It's obvious that crooks (from Minty onwards) have been and are plundering your club. If you are as well supported as you claim to be, why don't you use that leverage to demand answers? Just curious. Because since day 1 they have assumed the media and everyone else is against them, spreading lies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasda Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Because since day 1 they have assumed the media and everyone else is against them, spreading lies Only when it's deemed "negative", they don't seem to have a problem with signings, wealth off the radar, global brand, coisty's a gem type stories. That's why they're a conman's dream gig. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodmoorhill Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Serious question for the Sevco fans on here. Why on earth are you not constantly lobbying the msm for answers? It's obvious that crooks (from Minty onwards) have been and are plundering your club. If you are as well supported as you claim to be, why don't you use that leverage to demand answers? Just curious. It does seem a bit off the scale that the Sevco supporters don't seem to want to know what's going on in the background. Chucky may well just be an independent opportunist, or he may be bent over with Whyte being balls deep in him. It is staggering that after all this time, no one really knows what's going on. Rangers supporters, please, please, please start asking difficult questions about the whole set up at Ibrox. If something similar was going on at Man Utd, Everton, Arsenal etc., you could be pretty certain that the English media would be all over it like a tramp on chips. Let's face it, Rangers were a multi million pound industry with an international brand that's been exported all over the world. In many ways, they were one of the international public faces of Scotland. Surely the extent of investigation into its demise should amount to slightly more than a few internet bloggers? (Who have done a fantastic job so far, by the way). For the love of God, surely our whole country deserves more than that? If the media in Scotland are incapable of carrying out any type of investigative journalism, it begs the question; what would happen if Scotland were an independent country? Would the media be equally lazy if Russian gangsters decided that a small independent country would be the ideal place to control and launder crime money through? Would they just stand aside for the price of a succulent lamb dinner? Shame on you Scottish media. The public deserves better that the current wall of silence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenockRover Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Only when it's deemed "negative", they don't seem to have a problem with signings, wealth off the radar, global brand, coisty's a gem type stories. That's why they're a conman's dream gig. BOOM! There it is. When success is being bought, no one cares how because ramming your cups, titles and embroidered stars down everyone's throat us so much fun ! When it goes pear shaped to thus extent (and lets face it, this is wayyyyy beyond even the most grotesquely shaped pear) the masses don't understand the fall because they never questioned the rise. The semi knowledgeable ones are caught between a rock and a hard place.... loyalty to their team but raging at the demise and praying for a solution but are too scared to speak out against the previous "legends" for fear of being cast out by any future incarnation of OldCo. Best to go low profile you see? Add to that mix an incompetent SFA and SPL who have become fat and lazy dining with the top two carve up merchants of Scottish Football and you can see why there are no forums full of indignant, angry, betrayed bears. In a nutshell, they're STILL hopeful of squirming a way out of this mess in a way that allows them to hold onto their past...... but only the good bits of course ;-) Some fcuking hope though, Edited August 27, 2012 by GreenockRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnesTON Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 The scottish football monitor. The whole saga Apologies if this has already been posted, the comments section at the end make some great points & questions as well. There must be a budget at the SFA for shovels to bury all those reports 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodmoorhill Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Excellent post as usual .. SFA still have a lot of explaining to do regarding their role in all of this skullduggery and shenanigans. You get the feeling they only apply the rules when they are left with no option to do otherwise. And through it all, unquestioning silence from the media. Truly, truly shameful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenockRover Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Some Rangers fans started questioning Murray in 2003, but it was only a minority, you have to remember that it was him that had led us out of the obscurity of the 80`s when you could turnup for an old firm game and pay at the gate, even these were rarely sell outs,so for many Rangers fans he was the saviour The problem it seems was arrogance for Murray , to begin with he was ahead ofthe game when it came to finances, Scottish Football struggled to catch up but catch up they did and this it seems made Murray put his business sense aside and become reckless Fans of any team are always naïve in the face of success, look at Man U,Barcelona, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea the list goes on of massive clubs that are massively in debt, what's happened at Rangers should be a wakeup call to fans of these clubs but no they are mainly oblivious to what's going to happen, the situation with Rangers is only the start and will seem small in comparison, Football at some stage has to balance the books Anyway with Rangers it seem to get better for a while we lessened the debt but by 2008 it was clear to me and many other supporters that we were living on borrowed time, protests were happening, banners at games that were quickly confiscated by stewards but the voice was not loud enough, is it ever? By 2010 we were desperate for anybody to save us, CW saw this and exploited the situation for personal gain, all Murrays words of "I only want what's best for Rangers" turned out to be just that - words As far as rumours not anything about anything illegal just that Murrays Money was running out and that he was starting borrow heavily and securing those debts on major assets both within Rangers and MIM, EBT was a word I never heard of till much later on When your a minority voice amongst the louder, blissfully ignorant masses, it's sometimes easy to throw your hands up and say "you wait and see..." but nobody beyond Murray and White foresaw the car wreck coming to this degree and for genuine fans like Tedi and others I feel sorry. They are, however a minority indeed and must feel massively betrayed just now. Unfortunately ( or fortunately) fans like Tedi can see now that the core support that surrounded him were unashamed glory hunters and worse. Should the club rise again he can be sure these "Peepul" will be in the support too. He faces tough choices either way..... Edited August 27, 2012 by GreenockRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
statts1976uk Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 While many Sevco fans might think that it was a good draw in the Scottish Cup I bet that Green is a bit annoyed that it's not a home tie for the extra gate money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Sensible Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Some Rangers fans started questioning Murray in 2003, Just the other day you claimed that the McLeish era (2001 - 206) was an era of downsizing! but it was only a minority, you have to remember that it was him that had led us out of the obscurity of the 80`s when you could turnup for an old firm game and pay at the gate, even these were rarely sell outs,so for many Rangers fans he was the saviour Graeme Souness arrived at Ibrox in the summer of 1986. Rangers won the Premier League in season 86/87 for the first time in 9 years with Ibrox packed every week. David Murray bought Rangers in November 1988. Yet again, you are wrong. Anyway with Rangers it seem to get better for a while we lessened the debt but by 2008 it was clear to me and many other supporters that we were living on borrowed time, protests were happening, banners at games that were quickly confiscated by stewards but the voice was not loud enough, is it ever? Quality revisionism. The protests against Murray weren't that he was spending too much money - the protests were that he wasn't spending enough. "We deserve better", etc. You only have yousrelves to blame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gG_c86GheRTzg37a_0Kf_aesiQZA?docId=N0218101346088155818A Scottish Football Association president Campbell Ogilvie insists moves to reform the structure of the leagues are not designed to accelerate Rangers' progress through the divisions. The SFA have written to the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League inviting the two bodies to join a reconstruction working party that would be led by an independent chairman. The attempts follow a summer of furious debate over what division the Rangers newco should play in, with clubs voting against plans to put them in either the top or second tier. Rangers chairman Malcolm Murray has since hinted that the club would not need three years to reach the SPL and reports have claimed a new three-league structure with a 16-team top flight is the preferred choice. But Ogilvie is adamant that the discussions are not a means of returning the financial power of Rangers fans to the top level more quickly. Ogilvie said: "I keep hearing it from outside sources but there have been absolutely no discussions within Scottish football for that scenario. "Any league reconstruction has got to be a much wider debate and it's about teams coming through various levels on merit. "The whole debate on reconstruction started a year ago and got railroaded up to a point with all the meetings that took place on the Rangers situation from February. "This is a much wider debate, it's not about any one club. It's about getting the structure right in the Scottish professional game." Ok Campbell, we believe you. Tell us about your EBT? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwiznaeme Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 As for the protests... "The Bottom Line" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnforever1992 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Kirk Broadfoot has been released from sevco, I thought they don't do walking away. Edited August 27, 2012 by Bairnforever1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Kirk Broadfoot has been released from sevco, I thought they don't do walking away. Did he leave with egg on his face? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarreZ Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Thank goodness he was rotten, now honestly who is gonna gie him a job? Maybe someone who can play him in the proper position rather than his worst possible one. Kirk was a brilliant player till he went to Rangers, same as Charlie Adam with Ross County and St Mirren. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnforever1992 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 ^^^^^ Tesco? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Kirk Broadfoot has been released from sevco, I thought they don't do walking away. That's where Dundee played the administration card perfectly - they just jettisoned all the shit players - and the shit manager - and then climbed the league. Kirk Broadfoot would have been out on his arse on day one of Dundee's admin ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe pineapples Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Kirk Broadfoot has been released from sevco, I thought they don't do walking away. Released It's a pity he was ruined by them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Did he leave with egg on his face? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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