Mason Boyne Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 As an Ibrox season ticket holder you supported and watched the tax dodging cheating RFC (R.I.P.) dying due to its misuse of public funds (taxes). They most probably will, yes. From the individuals who received EBT's. That isn't our concern, however, only time will tell, you simply don't know. You sure do post pish. Nobody other than internet bawbags such as you 3 stooges, Ben1, Ben2 and you cares how long it takes. As above. I've decided. As above. Where you been hiding ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Where you been hiding ? Mind your own brother boyne. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 in the vast majority of cases Rangers were not guilty of tax evasion, in the vast majority of cases those were loans Irrespective of what the lawyers managed to convince other lawyers to believe, in the real world we all know football players do not play for free. I think for the most part the original judgement has to go down as a complete failure on HMRC's side to prove what on the face of it looks like an open and shut case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 If OldCo Rangers are innocent, they've surely nothing to fear in any appeal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 The lawyers managed to prove that Rangers operated a clever but legal Tax avoidance scheme, the morality of it may be open to debate, the legality of it is not The dissenting judge and HMRC disagree. It remains to be seen whether the Upper Tier Tribunal will or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 and here we have it HMRC ask for an appeal, they have not been granted that right nor have they won the appeal and by your reckoning Rangers are already guilty as charged, rather presumptuous aren't we? but also completely incorrect and irrelevant The current judgment stands and is the reality (not what is inside your head), in the vast majority of cases Rangers were not guilty of tax evasion, in the vast majority of cases those were loans I guess we'll see, won't we? Although something tells me that, in the event that the case goes against you this time, we'll miraculously discover that the courts are now somehow fallible and fragile, or maybe even riddled with anti-Rangers bias. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Part one is likely true, although I would've thought they might be able to pursue the "loans" from the people who benefitted, no? Part two sounds daft to me, though - there's the small matter of David Murray and all of his confederates, who HMRC clearly believe are due a holiday at Her Majesty's pleasure. A very long holiday indeed, perhaps at the Bar L, pour encourager les autres. All of which is would be well within HMRC's duty to the taxpayer, I imagine. They are supposed to tackle actual, criminal activity, aren't they? You're getting a bit ahead of yourself here in stating that HMRC clearly believe some people should be jailed. As much as i would hope that anyone that has committed fraud is jailed, as it stands there is nothing that suggests those involved with the EBT case committed fraud after the first tier ruling. Also HMRC are only applying for permission to appeal,that's not to say it will be granted. As for pursuing those who benefitted from the loans,isn't it correct that HMRC could only apply to the trusts of those who benefitted after their death? Also any ruling won't impinge on the club so as far as i'm concerned HMRC can carry on pursuing an appeal,getting the verdict overturned though may well be an entirely different proposition. HMRC haven't exactly got a great record in these cases. Wouldn't it be more prudent for HMRC to give their undivided attention on Craig Whyte and his apparently fraudulent dealings than pursue a case that has went against them and which they can't be sure of recovering any money far less winning the case. Edited December 4, 2012 by youngsy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Part one is likely true, although I would've thought they might be able to pursue the "loans" from the people who benefitted, no? Part two sounds daft to me, though - there's the small matter of David Murray and all of his confederates, who HMRC clearly believe are due a holiday at Her Majesty's pleasure. A very long holiday indeed, perhaps at the Bar L, pour encourager les autres. All of which is would be well within HMRC's duty to the taxpayer, I imagine. They are supposed to tackle actual, criminal activity, aren't they? More tax payers money going down the drain, yeeehah. They may well get something out of MIH but i see no reason why a different tribunal would see things differently, has hMRC said on which point they are appealing? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 The lawyers managed to prove that Rangers operated a clever but legal Tax avoidance scheme, the morality of it may be open to debate, the legality of it is not I don't think there is any debate over the morality, at least there shouldn't be anyway. The legality isn't settled yet. Are there not another couple of levels it can go to after this appeal before anything is considered final and lawful/unlawful? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendarroch Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Must've been the final straw for HMRC, who have now appealed. Bendarroch's taunting took it too far. Enjoy! Aye. Goading works wonders. I look forward to HMRC having their arses handed to them a second time. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 More tax payers money going down the drain, yeeehah. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendarroch Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 More tax payers money going down the drain, yeeehah. They may well get something out of MIH but i see no reason why a different tribunal would see things differently, has hMRC said on which point they are appealing? They have new 'upfront and centre' information from someone they take very seriously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 So Hector is appealing....in other words protesting the decision....... MON THE PROTESTANTS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I don't think there is any debate over the morality, at least there shouldn't be anyway. The legality isn't settled yet. Are there not another couple of levels it can go to after this appeal before anything is considered final and lawful/unlawful? Inner House of the Court of Session and then UK Supreme Court. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Impressive circling of the wagons from the Rangers boys, here. Lots of gunsmoke and whoopin' and hollerin'. Let's see how it goes down with the courts, shall we? Who knows, maybe HMRC are just chancing their arm or making a good show of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendarroch Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I guess we'll see, won't we? Although something tells me that, in the event that the case goes against you this time, we'll miraculously discover that the courts are now somehow fallible and fragile, or maybe even riddled with anti-Rangers bias. Is the runaway out of is bolt-hole? Is the disgraced bungler slightly less disgraceful? Is the IRA writer a messenger of peace these days? What now for Hoggit, Snoggit and Floggit? Was their love the most fleeting of romances? The wonderful world of plastics and diddies - wtf are they like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendarroch Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Who knows, maybe HMRC are just chancing their arm or making a good show of it. Given they are hardly likely to gain much of anything from the oldco, I'd have thought you would be raging at their profligacy with the tax-payers money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-18 ICBM Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 wtf are they like. Dunno, but i do know that all of your posts on here reek of seven different colors of shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 What now for Hoggit, Snoggit and Floggit? I forgot to say this earlier but I applaud your ability to come up with a new set of nicknames every time! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulliamwallace Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 ooooh what a waste of tax payers money..... The old rangers should know about how to waste taxpayers money, they wasted somewhere in the region of £93 million But they cant appeal we have already won, its a vandetta i tell ye..... If anyone thought the HMRC would not appeal against the cheats they must be totally delusional and have their heads buried in the sand........ oh wait Also the HMRC wont appeal if they are not confident of winning the case 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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