hellbhoy Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Dunfermline have deliberately not paid tax for months, secondary only to match fixing mind. For months ? your old club failed to pay tax for over a decade FFS Tedi and don't post the FTT result we all know it was not paying tax bub. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 They may well do that and tbh if that was the case it would give Rangers and the support all the ammunition they required to highlight that there is no such thing as sporting integrity. I would doubt that anyone would buy DAFC outright and clear the debt. Their best option is a CVA, failing that the newco route and liquidation for Dunfermline Athletic Football Club Limited. Dunfermline aren't a club i'd like to see becoming defunct.i remember very well their great European nights at EEP in the 60s and the class players they've had. Erm Youngsy ! was using an EBT scheme an act of sporting integrity ? it was an act of deliberately gaining an unfair advantage over your competition that the competition did not use themselves ie a non fair level playing field. As for Dunfermline getting voted back into the 1st division if they go newco ! GIFUY I'm sorry but it would be just fantastic to point and laugh at the bears 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 You keep saying unfair, sooner or later you will have to accept that we won the tax case, any advantage we gained was legal, confirmed by Lord Nimmo who knows a bit more about these things than you. Your delusion continues Tedi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Erm Youngsy ! was using an EBT scheme an act of sporting integrity ? it was an act of deliberately gaining an unfair advantage over your competition that the competition did not use themselves ie a non fair level playing field. As for Dunfermline getting voted back into the 1st division if they go newco ! GIFUY I'm sorry but it would be just fantastic to point and laugh at the bears Erm,the EBT scheme was legal,so in that respect such a scheme was open to every company that wanted to implement it for their employees benefit,in sport or any other industry. Or perhaps you missed that part. To be quite honest with you if DAFC are voted back into division one it will just highlight the bitterness against one football club and make the sporting integrity argument that many were putting forward during the summer a sham. So we'll see what the outcome is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I think the difference is Rangers or Craig Whyte deliberately withheld paying tax and paye, the pars can't pay it. Whether it' deliberately withheld or not it's still a failure to pay and there has been a precedent set with certain sanctions applied. All we've heard from many people is consistency,so let's see if there is true consistency here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 If they enter administration it will be a points deduction, If they come out of it I think that's the only penalty. ( not 100% sure) We got fined while in administration for not paying paye. Typical of SFA's stupidity to fine a club in administration, i wonder if they'll show some common sense here or revert to type. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Whether it' deliberately withheld or not it's still a failure to pay and there has been a precedent set with certain sanctions applied. All we've heard from many people is consistency,so let's see if there is true consistency here. But the SPL and the SFL are different bodies and don't need to be consistent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 But the SPL and the SFL are different bodies and don't need to be consistent. The fines came from the SFA tho... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 If they enter administration it will be a points deduction, If they come out of it I think that's the only penalty. ( not 100% sure) I know that's the penalty for entering administration. I was referring to what sanctions,if any,will be applied should they be liquidated and go down the newco route. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 The fines came from the SFA tho... I didn't think TRFC were concerned about the SFA fines (Like they were going to pay!) but about the expulsion from the SPL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Whether it' deliberately withheld or not it's still a failure to pay and there has been a precedent set with certain sanctions applied. All we've heard from many people is consistency,so let's see if there is true consistency here. Delibarately not paying is hugely different from not having the means to pay. I hope there is consistency. But I also hope that the differences in both cases are well publicised and considered. It would also be good if Dunfermline accept blame and responsibility for their own plight. It is no-one else's fault. You leave yourself open to having your finances mismanaged by various scoundrels then you take the consequences....without stamping your feet and throwing tantrums. With "dignity", if you like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 We got fined while in administration for not paying paye. Typical of SFA's stupidity to fine a club in administration, i wonder if they'll show some common sense here or revert to type. A more suitable punishment would've been? Would you have accepted it? I suppose the SFA might have thought a club in administration who's first act was to try and make a new signing obviously had the cash to pay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 This has bring going on for months, they could have called the administrators in ages ago, but no they opted for deliberately stopping paying taxes therefore just prolonging things. Is this guy for real if u think deliberately witholding paye and being up to your eyeballs are comparable then u really are as delusional as I think u are. Ffs another currant who can't understand anything. Or more likely chooses not to understand anything 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 The P & Bers are really struggling with this one eh SFA bash Rangers - P & Bers "Hit them harder, we want blood" SFA do nothing to Dunfermline and Rangers fans demand consistancy - P & Bers "Aye but thats different" I would have much more respect for them if they were just honest and said "fcuk sporting integrity, we just hate Rangers and only want to see them beaten with a stick and nobody else" I think it best that the situation plays out before we can complain about inconsistencies. Let's see how much Gerry-meandering, media pressure, TV debates and scare-mongering goes on first. Them there's un-precedanted votes and new membership statuses etc.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Dunfermline have been deliberately not paying taxes, what part of this are you struggling with? Not even going to bother debating this one with u 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Dunfermline have been deliberately not paying taxes, what part of this are you struggling with? Have they? Where can I find this information? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 But the SPL and the SFL are different bodies and don't need to be consistent. However as Bennett has said it was the SFA that inposed the sanctions which the club accepted in order to have the SFA membership transferred from oldco to newco. If DAFC LTD go down the same route then it will be interesting to see what sanctions are applied by the SFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Have they? Where can I find this information? Rangers withhold paye and ni, probably wouldn't have fulfilled their fixtures of they hadn't and he thinks its the same as the pars gettin slapped with a tax bill because they are skint not worth arguing your case with this one buddy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 However as Bennett has said it was the SFA that inposed the sanctions which the club accepted in order to have the SFA membership transferred from oldco to newco. If DAFC LTD go down the same route then it will be interesting to see what sanctions are applied by the SFA. when that sort of thing happens its usually pay all football debts. Because your old club went running to the courts the sfa took the opportunity to hit u with that one as well. Won't happen to the pars if they're allowed down the newco route because its obviously different circumstances. The pars are by anyway, unless they get a groundshare next season they're gubbed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 The taxman do not give you a tax bill because you are skint. You think a tax bill is a fine? You get a tax bill because you are due paye on players wages, obviously Dunfermline cannot afford these players as they have not been paying them either. Try and dress this up anyway you want but Dunfermline have been living outwith their means for some time, they only have themselves to blame. Not denying they have been living outwith their means and they do only have themselves to blame. On the other issue, I am not even goin to debate it because you have shown yourself up to be a tool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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